The Bitcoin Thread

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DukeofHouse

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I don't think this bubble is going anywhere soon, regular people in SA are slowly waking up and throwing money at bitcoin.

I'm one of those regular people :D

So seeing as it's pay day, I was thinking of buying a bit more bitcoin but I also suspect that this bubble will pop pretty soon... What's the mybb consensus on buying right now?
 

balrog

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Just remember:

"When EVERYBODY is buying, it's time to sell" :) - depends on whether "Everybody" is EVERYBODY yet, or not - LOL!
 

Lunomoney

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Yea get constant issues with them and their certificates especially the app.

Hhhmm, you've mentioned this a few times but you haven't PM'ed me any examples or more detail.
I'm not aware of any cert errors either on web or mobile.

I believe the last time you saw this was due to you connecting a public hotspot which caused HTTPS traffic to do weird things.
 

Lunomoney

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Why is Luno saying BTC/ZAR 46 749 while the rest of the sane world says 33 529

Remember that there's no standard/ global Bitcoin price - Bitcoin isn't attached in any way to the USD or any other currency.

There are a number of factors that go into this which we'll touch on a bit below.

The rate quoted on Google and other Bitcoin price trackers will normally link to a much larger Bitcoin exchange, where the price will differ. Each Bitcoin exchange has a price that is solely determined by supply and demand on that particular exchange. So based off that fact, if an exchange sees more people selling the price will likely start to drop. The same goes for more people buying on that exchange, the price will go up. It's a very rudimentary example, but should paint a good picture on how the price is determined.

Another aspect here is arbitrage. This is determined by a few factors, but if arbitrage traders (you can read more about arbitrage here) are able to move money to a certain exchange without any limitations, prices between those two exchanges are most likely quite close. That isn't the case for a market like South Africa, for example, where capital controls are in place and make arbitrage trading difficult and most of the time, not worth while.

This is also a characteristic of a young exchange, as many of our users are new users purchasing bitcoin for the first time. Thus creating the demand on the exchange.

Other, more mature exchanges, do not share this characteristic. To add to this, inexperienced traders often emphasise market movements with herd irrationality due to their lack of knowledge surrounding bitcoin and crypto currency.

If you look at our Malaysian exchange, with more experienced users, you will find that the price is more closely aligned with other global markets.

We can speculate about the causes for this premium but whatever the reason may be for this premium, it is important to note that you are not trading with Luno. We merely provide the platform upon which buyers and sellers interact. The forces of supply and demand determine the price.
 

dj2381

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I think if either altcointrader or Luno could add ethereum to the mix they could make them and many interested parties quite a bit of money, just saying :whistling:

Edit: Dash would be nice too...
 

Knyro

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If you look at our Malaysian exchange, with more experienced users, you will find that the price is more closely aligned with other global markets.

We can speculate about the causes for this premium but whatever the reason may be for this premium, it is important to note that you are not trading with Luno. We merely provide the platform upon which buyers and sellers interact. The forces of supply and demand determine the price.

So you guys have more than one exchange? Can we trade there as well? Or at least view it?
 

Lunomoney

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So you guys have more than one exchange? Can we trade there as well? Or at least view it?

We have an exchange in each presence country, so we're active in SA, Malaysia, Nigeria & Indonesia at the moment.
You can view the currency pairs via https://www.luno.com/trade/XBTZAR on the left menu.

Unfortunately you aren't able to trade in those regions without the relevant local documentation.
 

Hamster

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I think if either altcointrader or Luno could add ethereum to the mix they could make them and many interested parties quite a bit of money, just saying :whistling:

Edit: Dash would be nice too...

Yeah, if Luno could add ETH suppport it would be great.

So far, jaxx was pretty damn easy to convert some BTC to ETH though. Basically clicked a button.
 

balrog

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Yeah, if Luno could add ETH suppport it would be great.

So far, jaxx was pretty damn easy to convert some BTC to ETH though. Basically clicked a button.

Shapeshift, Jaxx and all other "quick" methods of converting coins takes much higher fees than buying at an exchange as a Maker. But I must admit it is quick and easy if you are willing to forgo some fees for the convenience. Just keep in in mind though.

Oh yes, and Luno, please add WAVES for trading :)
 

HunterNW

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Agree. Luno keep up with the world. Don't stagnate. Anything that stagnates starts giving of nasty smells. :p
 

Alton Turner Blackwood

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There are very few places that sell Eth, in fact there are very few who sell anything but bitcoin - I'm sure there's a reason for that.

Almost everywhere you look you first have to own some bitcoin in some form or the other and then trade that for other currencies
 
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