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rietrot said:
You guys like to BS yourself in this way, but when the reality hits even people like Julius Malema went to Britain to go begging for investments.
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They go to China and Russia as well. More frequently, I might add

Who's BS themselves? It's all in your head, dude. The Brits are considered the same as everyone else nowadays.
 
buka001 said:
What on earth has that got to do with the Commonwealth? Especially since Julius has expressed his opinion that SA should leave the Commonwealth?
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Okay I'll spell it out. The CW is just a tool to keep the relationships with the old colonies open. Britain doesn't need colonies anymore as they have different tools now. Already in the late 19th century the colonies became more trouble than what they're worth.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
The commonwealth of yester year is over. The dictatorial regimes are largely gone, and the link to our colonial masters have disappeared with it.

We, people of the commonwealth have moved on to those that will provide us the best deal. And oddly enough, because nowadays English is so wide spread....we don't need to deal with the English anymore, even the Chinese and Eastern Europeans can be communicated with easily.

The idjuts who say CW as the future are living in the past
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Wouldn't go that far. India (Commonwealth) accounts for almost 1/4 of the world's population, with the total Commonwealth population currently at about 2.4 billion people. While it isn't a collective trading bloc, that's still a lot of people who need goods and services.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
They go to China and Russia as well. More frequently, I might add

Who's BS themselves? It's all in your head, dude. The Brits are considered the same as everyone else nowadays.
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Actually lots of people still have good images of England in their head. Look at Hollywood and often an American actress dates an English guy (or the opposite). Or the fact that England's top universities - Oxford, Cambridge etc. - attract lots of foreign students. Or the fact that many Aussies, New Zealanders and Canadians go on gap years there. Also many Brits do see themselves as somewhat special or at least part of a country which has had influence on the world (which it has, I might add).
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Nope, as Queen Lizzy is the Head of Commonwealth no such proposal will be put forward by me. However if some uppity Commonwealth member decides to remove the Queen as the head of the Commonwealth, then I will change my opinion.

And lol, do you think any of those principles are even vaguely upheld by most African nations who are part of the Commonwealth?
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And yet your own country is one of those considering removing the queen as head of state.

Even the most avowed anti-monarchists in Australia and New Zealand long acknowledged, at least privately, that cutting ties with Britain was on hold as long as Queen Elizabeth II was alive.

But the world's most macabre waiting game may be coming to an end — as the U.K.'s decision to leave the European Union gives republicans in the two countries reason to hope for a Brexit of their own.

Australia's current prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, a former chair of the Australian Republican Movement, has said he won’t push for a referendum during the queen’s lifetime, but opposition leader Bill Shorten, on track to win a federal election due between late 2018 and early 2019, in July promised to hold a vote during his first term in office.

All of Australia’s state and territory leaders also back a republic.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/australia-queen-republicans-down-under-sick-of-waiting-die/
 
rietrot said:
What has that got to do with the common wealth?
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Maybe it would be easier if you understood the concept of forums, the reply is generally to the quoted post. Did you notice I quoted a post?

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It’s the Commonwealth, not common wealth.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
I predict Aussies will vote the same as in 1999: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Australian_republic_referendum

And let's be specific here...some people are considering that. Of course you will find republicans in every country... :rolleyes:
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Did you notice that 7 out of 8 state leaders from your country have signed the petition?

State leaders in Australia have shown their support for the country to become a republic, by signing a petition to remove Queen Elizabeth II as their Head of State and replace her with a president.

The head of the Australian Republic Movement (ARM), Peter FitzSimons, has secured signatures from seven of the eight state and territory leader in Australia yesterday on Australia Day.
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And the 8th didn’t refuse to sign for royalist reasons.

It was Colin Barnett, representing Western Australia, who declined to sign, though he did support the motion: he “did not think that the time is right .. to prosecute the argument for constitutional change”.
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https://www.thecrownchronicles.co.u...ote-to-remove-queen-replace-with-a-president/
 
rietrot said:
Okay I'll spell it out. The CW is just a tool to keep the relationships with the old colonies open. Britain doesn't need colonies anymore as they have different tools now. Already in the late 19th century the colonies became more trouble than what they're worth.
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The Commonwealth did not replace the wealth and power that the Colonies brought to the UK.

You seem to have a massive failure in understanding of what the Colonies were to the UK and what the Commonwealth is.
 
buka001 said:
The Commonwealth did not replace the wealth and power that the Colonies brought to the UK.

You seem to have a massive failure in understanding of what the Colonies were to the UK and what the Commonwealth is.
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The common wealth is just part of that toolbox. Yes the British came here for our gold and diamonds, they never left they are still here, still mining. Look at the London stock exchange. Anglo-American, BHP....and there's no red coats hanging around to keep the locals incheck. The colonies still function as they should for the British. And we can't get our own independence, we go begging for handouts time and time again.
 
The Voice said:
Wouldn't go that far. India (Commonwealth) accounts for almost 1/4 of the world's population, with the total Commonwealth population currently at about 2.4 billion people. While it isn't a collective trading bloc, that's still a lot of people who need goods and services.
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And as I said before, they don't consider Britain anything special In terms of trade because of the CW

In European terms, Germany, Belgium and Switzerland each have more trade with India than the UK. Heck, even Nigeria trades more with India than the UK.

Common wealth doesn't have the relevance as it used to.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Actually lots of people still have good images of England in their head. Look at Hollywood and often an American actress dates an English guy (or the opposite). Or the fact that England's top universities - Oxford, Cambridge etc. - attract lots of foreign students. Or the fact that many Aussies, New Zealanders and Canadians go on gap years there. Also many Brits do see themselves as somewhat special or at least part of a country which has had influence on the world (which it has, I might add).
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And I will continue to point out that it's relevance to the majority of the commonwealth is minimal.

I studied in England, but will not pick a UK supplier over an Italian one just because of some historical or language commonality. I will choose the best deal someone offers me.
 
The Voice said:
Wouldn't go that far. India (Commonwealth) accounts for almost 1/4 of the world's population, with the total Commonwealth population currently at about 2.4 billion people. While it isn't a collective trading bloc, that's still a lot of people who need goods and services.
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But why would the Commonwealth make a difference to that, given as you say that's not a trade deal? Do you think Commonwealth countries would give UK products/services preference because of the Commonwealth connection?

And incidentally, the EU is busy negotiating an FTA with India.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...resume-soon/articleshow/63467513.cms?from=mdr
 
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