The Brexit Thread

[f2wohf]

Jesus talk about the (not so) soft bigotry of low expectations. Do you mean to say the ONLY thing that is keeping Europeans from slaughtering each other is a forced political union?

That single construct is all that keeps the blood lust at bay?

:crylaugh:

The EU happens to be at the same time than the longest period of peace in Europe.

Might be a coincidence, nobody can prove it as we don't know what would have happened otherwise.

On the other side, linking the Paris attacks to the EU is completely fallacious.

 

[Alan]

Jesus talk about the (not so) soft bigotry of low expectations. Do you mean to say the ONLY thing that is keeping Europeans from slaughtering each other is a forced political union?

That single construct is all that keeps the blood lust at bay?

:crylaugh:

Apparently so. Also can't allow them to build up their own military capabilities for self defence, dare they turn their armies upon each other.

 

[f2wohf]

Apparently so. Also can't allow them to build up their won military capabilities for self defence, dare they turn their armies upon each other.

Yeah I know.

We don't have armies, we throw flowers at Syrian immigrants who steal our wives and eat our babies and in addition we're proud of it !

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The EU happens to be at the same time than the longest period of peace in Europe.
Might be a coincidence, nobody can prove it as we don't know what would have happened otherwise.
On the other side, linking the Paris attacks to the EU is completely fallacious.

:wtf: you don't think free movement makes such attacks infinitely easier to execute and even escape from? Is freedom of movement not a core EU construct?

How about letting masses of "migrants", including radicals, into the EU in the first place as Mutti Merkel commanded, not an EU thing either?

The link between the Paris attacks (and the many other attacks on European soil in recent history for that matter) and the EU's policies is quite a bit stronger than linking 70 years of peace in Europe to the EU's existence.

 

[f2wohf]

:wtf: you don't think free movement makes such attacks infinitely easier to execute and even escape from? Is freedom of movement not a core EU construct?

How about letting masses of "migrants", including radicals, into the EU in the first place as Mutti Merkel commanded, not an EU thing either?

The link between the Paris attacks (and the many other attacks on European soil in recent history for that matter) and the EU's policies is quite a bit stronger than linking 70 years of peace in Europe to the EU's existence.

The terrorists in France are at 99% not Syrian but french second generation, Belgian second generation. So not the migrants that Merkel allowed in.

We had plenty of terrorists in the 60s to the 90s, before free borders. They were going through borders as easily as they do today...

Borders are in place in France right now, didn't prevent the policeman being killed, did it ?

The policy of getting Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisians in France is older than the EU or the ECC. We needed them to rebuild the country postwar and incentivized them to come. There were no free borders or EU policy at the time.

We failed to integrate their kids and now it turns back against us.

I don't see the link with the EU, it's our own internal failure.

But you probably know french postwar history better than I do.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The terrorists in France are at 99% not Syrian but french second generation, Belgian second generation. So not the migrants that Merkel allowed in

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

Most of the Paris attackers had French or Belgian citizenship, two were Iraqis, and all had fought in Syria. Some of them had entered Europe among the flow of migrants and refugees.

Without the handy flow of migrants and refugees the deadliest terror attack in the history of France might not have happened ...

 

[f2wohf]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks


Without the handy flow of migrants and refugees the deadliest terror attack in the history of France might not have happened ...

Because they can't find french and Belgian to replace the two Iraqis...

The leaders and organizers were French and Belgian...

Anyway, just to show you that we've never lacked of terrorists: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

Hezbollah, Carlos the Jackal, Abu Nidal and Action Directe didn't need open borders to commit them...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The leaders and organizers were French and Belgian...

Yes they were, yet

The attacks were planned in Syria

Anyway, just to show you that we've never lacked of terrorists

Terrorists, no. You don't find it even slightly strange that there was only one attack with double digit death tolls prior to the whole migrant flow fiasco and then suddenly from 2015 onward there's three such attacks?

 

[f2wohf]

Yes they were, yet



Terrorists, no. You don't find it even slightly strange that there was only one attack with double digit death tolls prior to the whole migrant flow fiasco and then suddenly from 2015 onward there's three such attacks?

Triple digits in number of people hurt though.

Also, a plane was hikacked from Alger and meant to crash on the Eiffel Tower in 1994 I think. It didn't only thanks to the intelligence of the pilot.

A triple digit attack has always only been a matter of time.

How do you explain 9/11 which is a 4 digits attack in the country with the best borders, and no free border like this porous EU ?

Liking EU to the attacks is ridiculous, nothing more. It's at the same level than less immigration with Brexit...

We've had 5 attacks in 85, 6 in 86, before the open borders.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

How do you explain 9/11 which is a 4 digits attack in the country with the best borders, and no free border like this porous EU ?

9/11 remains unexplained to this day, I'm not the one with the answers, but the myriad of conspiracy theories on that front have generally alleged it might be the mother of all false flags. If it was anything even remotely of the sort, strong borders won't make the least bit of difference.

In contrast, when not one, not two, but three large scale attacks happen in the same country within the span of only one year and all are claimed by ISIS, it is just too much of a coincidence that it coincides with a time period where migrants run rampant within the same country, many of whom originate from the very countries that ISIS has torn to pieces.

 

[access]

so mexico has the strength to take on the states, and if you do not have wars with your neighbours its not a good idea to amalgamate.

and on top of that, the states conduct wars on other peoples borders.

but just in case the french and germans get upset with each other, down with the uk for leaving the eu

lol. mad reasoning.

 

[f2wohf]

Poll in Belgium asking for more EU intervention in terrorism, environment and unemployment.

 

[f2wohf]

9/11 remains unexplained to this day, I'm not the one with the answers, but the myriad of conspiracy theories on that front have generally alleged it might be the mother of all false flags. If it was anything even remotely of the sort, strong borders won't make the least bit of difference.

In contrast, when not one, not two, but three large scale attacks happen in the same country within the span of only one year and all are claimed by ISIS, it is just too much of a coincidence that it coincides with a time period where migrants run rampant within the same country, many of whom originate from the very countries that ISIS has torn to pieces.

So we should get out of the EU and it's the EU's fault ? Good luck controlling the borders without EU coordination.

Even I, and i pretty sure the Muslims who grew up in these areas know where to cross borders fraudulently... Try building a wall or controlling the Pyrenees, the Alps, all the beaches. Our army would do exclusively that and wouldn't even succeed.

Rather reinforce Frontex (if you even know what it is) and give it appropriate funding and equipment to protect Europe's eastern borders and the Mediterranean.

Funny enough, it's countries like U.K. who refused to increased Frontex budgets and tried to keep it as low as possible.

Funny enough about your Islamic immigration, just Nigerians are about 50% more immigrants than Syrians. Ghanaians as well. Bengalis around 30% more.

http://frontex.europa.eu/trends-and-routes/migratory-routes-map/

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So we should get out of the EU and it's the EU's fault ? Good luck controlling the borders without EU coordination.

Yes and yes, next question? Funny how Hungary did exceedingly well controlling its border by going against the EU instruction ...

Rather reinforce Frontex

Yet another multi-national waste of money :crylaugh: no thank you!

Funny enough, it's countries like U.K. who refused to increased Frontex budgets and tried to keep it as low as possible.

and why the hell would they want to fund something they have no need for?!?

Funny enough about your Islamic immigration

Funny enough about repeatedly using the phrase "funny enough" ... it loses effectiveness quite quickly, and feel free to quote a post of mine in this thread where I used the words "Islamic" or "immigration" btw, I did neither, with very good reason.

 

[buka001]

9/11 remains unexplained to this day, I'm not the one with the answers, but the myriad of conspiracy theories on that front have generally alleged it might be the mother of all false flags. If it was anything even remotely of the sort, strong borders won't make the least bit of difference.

In contrast, when not one, not two, but three large scale attacks happen in the same country within the span of only one year and all are claimed by ISIS, it is just too much of a coincidence that it coincides with a time period where migrants run rampant within the same country, many of whom originate from the very countries that ISIS has torn to pieces.

Your conspiracy theory belief count grows.

 

[The_Assimilator]

9/11 remains unexplained to this day...

Oh lordy lou.

 

[Dave]

9/11 remains unexplained to this day

And that's how a poster blows any claim of credibility out the water...

 

[Hamish McPanji]

And that's how a poster blows any claim of credibility out the water...

I think it was the Russians. Just saying

 

[Dave]

I think it was the Russians. Just saying

I've heard it was extraterrestrials, have you seen the weapons on Martian attack craft?

There was a documentary a few years ago, I think it was called "Mars Attacks", look it up.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Your conspiracy theory belief count grows.

Oh lordy lou.

And that's how a poster blows any claim of credibility out the water...

I think it was the Russians. Just saying

The list of the gullible beyond belief grows

You all reckon it is pure coincidence that the "Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001" was classified for 15 years and remains partially redacted to this day? Also pure coincidence that Obama vetoed JASTA despite the overwhelming, near unanimous support by both the house and senate?

You don't need to buy into any conspiracy theory to see there are large gaping holes in what has been made known to date, denying that fact simply makes you ignorant or a liar, choose.