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Zoomzoom said:
oh please Brexit from the get-go was about that delightful class of British people who have been railing against Pakkies coming over and taking their jobs for years. This has just changed to include migrants from countries like Poland who come over and do the shite jobs none of them want to do because that might actually involve stopping their social benefits and *gasp* working!
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So, it's their county? The citizens get to decide how they want their country to be run, who lives there, etc.

Going against a democratic referendum and deliberately thwarting the will of the majority is undemocratic, regardless if you are for or against the referendum. All the politicians should be accepting the result and helping in finding the best way to leave EU, not continuing their crusade against the referendum result.

You are either for democracy, or against it. A hypocrite is a person who says they are for democracy but refuses to accept and honour results of democratic election or referendum.
 
AdrianH said:
So, it's their county? The citizens get to decide how they want their country to be run, who lives there, etc.

Going against a democratic referendum and deliberately thwarting the will of the majority is undemocratic, regardless if you are for or against the referendum. All the politicians should be accepting the result and helping in finding the best way to leave EU, not continuing their crusade against the referendum result.

You are either for democracy, or against it. A hypocrite is a person who says they are for democracy but refuses to accept and honour results of democratic election or referendum.
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Agreed, the left seems to be the new Fuhrer type of politics. Their way or no way.
 
buka001 said:
Cognitive dissonance is thinking Theresa May's deal was a disaster, but BJ deal is better.

Same deal, but with concessions to the EU.
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And still no comment from Chris on whether he supports this same deal.

I can only imagine he is furious at Johnson’s u turn.

Chris?
 
AdrianH said:
So, it's their county? The citizens get to decide how they want their country to be run, who lives there, etc.

Going against a democratic referendum and deliberately thwarting the will of the majority is undemocratic, regardless if you are for or against the referendum. All the politicians should be accepting the result and helping in finding the best way to leave EU, not continuing their crusade against the referendum result.

You are either for democracy, or against it. A hypocrite is a person who says they are for democracy but refuses to accept and honour results of democratic election or referendum.
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misinformation campaigns to force a result and then taking a non-binding OPINION POLL as a binding decision is not democracy.
 
Zoomzoom said:
misinformation campaigns to force a result and then taking a non-binding OPINION POLL as a binding decision is not democracy.
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Misinformation is only being touted by the losers of the referendum. They are the ones saying that. Also, those parties against leaving EU didn't do much before the referendum to provide information against leaving as they were arrogant and didn't believe the result would be YES for leave.
 
I'm no expert on politics and governments, however. I've followed the Brexit process mainly on BBC News.

What is peeving me beyond belief is that Borris Johnson can't even give a direct answer to straight forward questions.

Trump has the same knack.
If you ask a simple question, like most reporters do, you kind of expect a simple answer. Yet it seems to be the norm to be as ambiguous as possible with no transparency about what you say or are trying to convey.

If I ever had a distrust in politicians, including our country. This would be it.
I can't take anything serious anymore, because all it boils down to is vague statements and lack of truth.
 
|tera| said:
I'm no expert on politics and governments, however. I've followed the Brexit process mainly on BBC News.

What is peeving me beyond belief is that Borris Johnson can't even give a direct answer to straight forward questions.

Trump has the same knack.
If you ask a simple question, like most reporters do, you kind of expect a simple answer. Yet it seems to be the norm to be as ambiguous as possible with no transparency about what you say or are trying to convey.

If I ever had a distrust in politicians, including our country. This would be it.
I can't take anything serious anymore, because all it boils down to is vague statements and lack of truth.
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Indeed. They play the politics game to further their own careers, and you get so many clowns supporting their “side” as if they are supporting their team.

This thread is full of them.
 
buka001 said:
Cognitive dissonance is thinking Theresa May's deal was a disaster, but BJ deal is better.

Same deal, but with concessions to the EU.
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Who claimed it's better?

Please point to one example of someone saying it's better since it's been in the public now for what, 2 days? The Libtards wants a deal, so it's this deal or an extension. Which I guess it will be a request for an extension and it will be shot down. Bring on Hard Brexit (No-deal). Let's assume an extension is given, do you see a different deal in 3 months?
 
I am not at all in favour of brexit and appalled to see Boris as the UK's PM, but the opposition will shoot themselves in the foot (again) if they oppose his deal.
By rejecting May's deal they anointed Boris. Likewise if they reject his deal, they will set the stage for a landslide Tory victory and a hard brexit parliament at a crucial stage when the UK/EU future relationship has to be negotiated.

www.theguardian.com

Boris Johnson has a deal. Now MPs must end the agony and vote it through | Simon Jenkins

The DUP is again proving the fly in the Brexit ointment, but it should not be allowed to decide who rules Britain, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

It is now surely clear that the deal comes as close as is feasible to a workable withdrawal from the EU, given the limitations set by the Commons since 2016.
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Despite his bluster, he has tried to avoid the greater lunacy of no deal. Faced with the impossibility of customs barriers, he has conceded a virtual border down the Irish Sea, regulatory alignment and a crazily bureaucratic scheme of tariff rebates. He is rumoured to have made concessions to die-hard unionists on abortion and subsidies. He has choked on a dozen promises, but he has eliminated the notorious backstop. In return, he has granted Belfast a veto on future trade deals.
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The way forward is for MPs from all other parties to back the deal, but it also beggars belief that elected politicians appear ready to reject it. These politicians voted for the Brexit referendum and voted to activate article 50. Yet Jeremy Corbyn has declared that Labour intends to support the DUP’s rejectionism. His claim that the deal “endangers the rights and protections of British workers” is hooey. He just wants to embarrass Johnson.
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If the DUP is right, and the deal risks Northern Ireland being drawn ever closer to the Republic, that is surely something Labour should welcome, not impede. Corbyn’s reluctant backing for another referendum is more opaque. Whether the government might accept such an amendment in return for getting Labour votes on Saturday is unknown, though the gamble could be worth it. Polls show that the public is so fed up with Brexit it would probably vote in a second referendum for any deal, rather than no deal or remain.
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Either way, Corbyn should see electoral advantage in allowing Johnson his moment of glory, clearing the decks of Brexit and aiming for an early general election.
The Liberal Democrats’ opposition to the deal is equally bizarre. Rejecting it would let Johnson present himself as the only “orderly” Brexiter in sight, the only one who sought to honour the will of the people.
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It is time, surely, to end this agony.
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Spizz said:
And still no comment from Chris on whether he supports this same deal.

I can only imagine he is furious at Johnson’s u turn.

Chris?
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If you read earlier, I'm waiting for commerent from the ERG which will apparently have a statement by tomorrow after a studious examination of the new deal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1185103991539150848

Well, that is what happens when you become a one-trick pony like the Limp Dumbs...
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
If you read earlier, I'm waiting for commerent from the ERG which will apparently have a statement by tomorrow after a studious examination of the new deal.
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We all know the bones of it. Don’t you have your own opinion?

Oh yeah, I forgot.
 
Spizz said:
We all know the bones of it. Don’t you have your own opinion?

Oh yeah, I forgot.
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The difference, of course, being that you have read snippets or other articles about it...I doubt you have actually read the new agreement. Nothing wrong with waiting for a more informed opinion that the current "gotcha" journalism that pervades social media.
 
AdrianH said:
Misinformation is only being touted by the losers of the referendum. They are the ones saying that. Also, those parties against leaving EU didn't do much before the referendum to provide information against leaving as they were arrogant and didn't believe the result would be YES for leave.
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The misinformation has been categorically proven over and over. Anyone who disputes it is in complete disregard of the facts.
 
Why does everyone ignore the third option? It isn't just deal or no deal, when did no brexit get removed from all possible outcomes? It isn't too late to eat farking humble pie and stay in the EU.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
The difference, of course, being that you have read snippets or other articles about it...I doubt you have actually read the new agreement. Nothing wrong with waiting for a more informed opinion that the current "gotcha" journalism that pervades social media.
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Oh you mean like taking a side and then talking about Lib Dumbs and Remoaners?
 
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