The Brexit Thread

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JayM said:
My feeling is a Norway+ EFTA/EEA type deal is what was offered, and should be delivered now.
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That will happen in about 5 years time when Labour wins a majority under a more reasonable leader. I don't think a referendum will be required for such a deal. Be patient, the public will turn against Brexit when the effects are felt.
 
ToxicBunny said:
You didn't put a time frame to it... So it's a second referendum on roughly the same topic...
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You didn't use your grey matter.

Referendum was held to join the EU, They Joined the EU. After 45 years they held a referendum to re-evaluate their partnership.

Now as for this referendum:

Stay or Leave, Leave wins, but don't implement leave because you need a second referendum to confirm the first one.

Sorry, but this isn't even remotely the same, I know you really want it to be. However it's like comparing a Sheep to a Scambler.
 
Verde said:
I support Johnson's deal to end the brexit agony.
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This isn't the end though. It's only the beginning - the UK's future trading relationship is yet to be determined. Two things are certain

1) the UK is losing clout and will be trading on worse terms with many countries post Brexit.
2) they will lose financial passporting and automatic equivalence. This is going to hurt the UK's most successful sector massively.
 
Pitbull said:
You didn't use your grey matter.

Referendum was held to join the EU, They Joined the EU. After 45 years they held a referendum to re-evaluate their partnership.

Now as for this referendum:

Stay or Leave, Leave wins, but don't implement leave because you need a second referendum to confirm the first one.

Sorry, but this isn't even remotely the same, I know you really want it to be. However it's like comparing a Sheep to a Scambler.
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Basic research pit bull.. The 1975 referendum was as such. Looks suspiciously like your beloved referendum was a second referendum then.

The Government has announced the results of the renegotiation of the United Kingdom's terms of membership of the European Community.

Do you think the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
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AdrianH said:
Is there a way Brexit could be stopped even if deal is not accepted and EU refuses and extension? It all seems to point without an extension, UK leaves with or without a deal end of October and nothing can stop it.
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If no deal is accepted by the commons then the only way to stop crashing out on 31-10-19 is for a request from UK PM for an extension to be granted by EU or for parliament to revoke art 50. The latter is highly unlikely.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Basic research pit bull.. The 1975 referendum was as such. Looks suspiciously like your beloved referendum was a second referendum then.
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Again, you are missing the point completely.

Did they or did they not accept the referendum results 1975 and stayed in the EU which is joined by default 1973. Did they have another confirmation referendum just to make 100% sure?

Now compare that to the current referendum. Like I said, you can try and compare it all you like. It's two completely different things. You very well know that, but alas... Seems like it's "playing retard" Friday.
 
AdrianH said:
Is there a way Brexit could be stopped even if deal is not accepted and EU refuses and extension? It all seems to point without an extension, UK leaves with or without a deal end of October and nothing can stop it.
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Yep, without an extension, UK leaves with or without a deal, end of October
 
The Voice said:
I don't think anyone would go for that. It basically has all of the drawbacks of being part of the EU, with none of the benefits.
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There are both benefits and drawbacks. Single market membership is good. Losing some influence is bad. But prominent Brexiteers were selling it, people voted for it, so I think a majority of leavers+remainers would go for it if it were available. And there would be nothing undemocratic about it.

 
Pitbull said:
Again, you are missing the point completely.

Did they or did they not accept the referendum results 1975 and joined the EU? Did they have another confirmation referendum just to make 100% sure?

Now compare that to the current referendum. Like I said, you can try and compare it all you like. It's two completely different things. You very well know that, but alas... Seems like it's "playing retard" Friday.
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They were already part of the EC.. This was not a joining referendum. Again basic research seems to fail you.
 
ToxicBunny said:
They were already part of the EC.. This was not a joining referendum. Again basic research seems to fail you.
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Yea, fully aware of that. Corrected it already. Maybe go read it again /facepalm

Still doesn't change the facts though does it? Please stop playing Retard, not going to do this with you...
 
Spizz said:
In my opinion, a peaceful united Ireland is a long way away,and no matter how small the minority, differences run too deep for some not to cause trouble if it does come about.
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I share your fears, but have reason to believe they are unfounded. The Irish republic is such a different place in 2019 from what it was in 1970. It was an economic wasteland back then and Irish unionists had every reason to fight for their place in the union. Today Ireland is an economic powerhouse.
 
Pitbull said:
Yea, fully aware of that. Corrected it already. Maybe go read it again /facepalm

Still doesn't change the facts though does it? Please stop playing Retard, not going to do this with you...
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But that means that the last referendum was a confirmation one... What stops them having a 3rd.. Then it's best of 3 that wins...
 
JayM said:
This isn't the end though. It's only the beginning - the UK's future trading relationship is yet to be determined. Two things are certain

1) the UK is losing clout and will be trading on worse terms with many countries post Brexit.
2) they will lose financial passporting and automatic equivalence. This is going to hurt the UK's most successful sector massively.
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Yes Brexit is a bad idea. Failing to implement the result of a referendum is even worse.
 
Spizz said:
So, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Boris Johnson resign from the cabinet to oppose the deal he’s now promoting?

Of course the only real difference is that the bit he swore to the DUP that he wouldn’t change, he’s changed?

And now that he has sold out NI, he needs to go grovel to get the support of the people he kicked out of his party???

Lol. You couldn’t make it up.

I would LOVE to know what Chris thinks of this deal now. Considering how bad Mays deal was and how this is essentially the same thing. And I’m sure we all remember how you attacked the May deal and it’s supporters.
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Boris only has one principle. Nothing to do with being in or out of the EU. Its all about Boris being PM. Nothing more, nothing less. He will say anything to achieve that.
 
JayM said:
I'm not sure how you read that from what I wrote.
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You said the people that don't agree with you are too stupid to make their own decisions, but you still somehow like the idea of democracy.
 
Verde said:
Yes Brexit is a bad idea. Failing to implement the result of a referendum is even worse.
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I don't believe Brexit is bad, countries should be able to join and leave if they so wish. How Brexit has been handled is deplorable, and all politicians involved should be embarrassed in how they handled it. Unfortunately, politicians are too full of themselves to ever believe they did something wrong, nevermind feeling embarrassed by their actions.

I feel sorry for the British people, but they must also reap what they sow.
 
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