The Brexit Thread

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OrbitalDawn said:
lol Brexit logic. 1 country can afford to lose preferential trade with 27 others, but the 27 can't afford to lose preferential trade with 1
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When the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around and the 27 has a stifling bureaucracy preventing it from forging deals with the rest of the world to make up for any lost business ... absolutely, the 27 will lose the most.

Although we're in agreement that everyone will end up losing, unless they start negotiating in good faith to find a mutually beneficial outcome.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
When the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around and the 27 has a stifling bureaucracy preventing it from forging deals with the rest of the world to make up for any lost business ... absolutely, the 27 will lose the most.

Although we're in agreement that everyone will end up losing, unless they start negotiating in good faith to find a mutually beneficial outcome.
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Logic is not the Lefties's strong point.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
When the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around and the 27 has a stifling bureaucracy preventing it from forging deals with the rest of the world to make up for any lost business ... absolutely, the 27 will lose the most.

Although we're in agreement that everyone will end up losing, unless they start negotiating in good faith to find a mutually beneficial outcome.
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It doesn't, ergo they lose more, by your own logic.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Facts and numbers not your strong point? It does, ergo the EU would lose more: https://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/866714-The-Brexit-Thread?p=19596680&viewfull=1#post19596680
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From that link:

What those exports are as a proportion of all exports—by this measure about 46% of the UK’s exports go to other EU countries, while somewhere between 8-17% of exports from other EU countries go to the UK
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So in your mind the party with 46% of its export market reliant on the single market is stronger than the party with only 8%-17% reliant on it in the other direction. That makes no sense.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
So in your mind the party with 46% of its export market reliant on the single market is stronger than the party with only 8%-17% reliant on it in the other direction. That makes no sense.
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The statement you challenged was "the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around", that is a statement of absolute numbers, I never said "as a percentage of total exports" and neither did you, yet you claim the EU does not sell more to the UK than the other way around in absolute numbers?!?

We can delve into what the %-breakdown means, but do you accept, in absolute numbers, "the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around"?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
The statement you challenged was "the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around", that is a statement of absolute numbers, I never said "as a percentage of total exports" and neither did you, yet you claim the EU does not sell more to the UK than the other way around in absolute numbers?!?

We can delve into what the %-breakdown means, but do you accept, in absolute numbers, "the 27 sells more to the 1 than the other way around"?
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Sure. I don't think it's a good metric to use, though.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Sure. I don't think it's a good metric to use, though.
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so then what are you arguing? those 27 countries would lose a great consumer of their sales. the 1 country consuming would not lose as they can consume from 168 other countries.

why is this so difficult to understand
 
access said:
so then what are you arguing? those 27 countries would lose a great consumer of their sales. the 1 country consuming would not lose as they can consume from 168 other countries.

why is this so difficult to understand
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Losing the ability to trade with 27 of some of the wealthiest countries in the world is a problem. People are assuming that the rest of the world has the same appetite and buying power as the 27 that they can no longer trade with.
 
Cray said:
Losing the ability to trade with 27 of some of the wealthiest countries in the world is a problem. People are assuming that the rest of the world has the same appetite and buying power as the 27 that they can no longer trade with.
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ok it seems this is hard to understand.

the UK is the big consumer(was 5th in the world 2013), the 27 EU countries sell to the UK(make profits), they are the ones losing out, not the UK consuming, the UK can import and will from other countries too.


edit: in any case, they will still trade with the EU countries, its not like they will be banned from it.... lol
 
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OrbitalDawn said:
Sure. I don't think it's a good metric to use, though.
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Progress! In terms of the metric's value, neither is %-of exports across the entire union though.

Take Germany for example, their car industry is sacrosanct to them, the UK is the largest buyer of German cars in the world. What political and economic fallout are they facing domestically if things go south?

Ironically it is their deluded chancellor that has the most aggressive anti-UK rhetoric.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Progress! In terms of the metric's value, neither is %-of exports across the entire union though.

Take Germany for example, their car industry is sacrosanct to them, the UK is the largest buyer of German cars in the world. What political and economic fallout are they facing domestically if things go south?

Ironically it is their deluded chancellor that has the most aggressive anti-UK rhetoric.
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You're forgetting that the German economy is well balanced and can weather one sector taking a hit. The UK losing its status as the world's financial centre is going to hurt them far more.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Progress! In terms of the metric's value, neither is %-of exports across the entire union though.

Take Germany for example, their car industry is sacrosanct to them, the UK is the largest buyer of German cars in the world. What political and economic fallout are they facing domestically if things go south?

Ironically it is their deluded chancellor that has the most aggressive anti-UK rhetoric.
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Well it's not like the UK can get their German cars elsewhere, is it? Seems like a bargaining point for Germany.
The UK imports a quarter of it's food from the EU, hope they're happy to do without that
 
C4Cat said:
Well it's not like the UK can get their German cars elsewhere, is it? Seems like a bargaining point for Germany.
The UK imports a quarter of it's food from the EU, hope they're happy to do without that
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Lol this is pointless. The UK will still be able to buy German cars pretending that they won't is silly and even then it would only be Germany that loses as other countries also built cars. British people will have to make due with a Toyota.
 
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