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Only thing that might fit this narrative are GP practices, who are mostly private and contracted into the NHS. But, of course, we don't ever get to see what they charge the NHS, anyway. Could be milking them for all we know.

But the NHS is definitely in a bad way, made evident by the doubling of the NHS surcharge for new foreign residents. Either that, or everyone working here has to start paying even more for it than we already do.
 
The Voice said:
Only thing that might fit this narrative are GP practices, who are mostly private and contracted into the NHS. But, of course, we don't ever get to see what they charge the NHS, anyway. Could be milking them for all we know.

But the NHS is definitely in a bad way, made evident by the doubling of the NHS surcharge for new foreign residents. Either that, or everyone working here has to start paying even more for it than we already do.
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The debate around the NHS is severely narrow in the UK - if you seen to criticize it, the Left go complete ape-**** and says it is the "envy of the world" (I'm sure people who have to wait in A&E for hours on end for some guy who stubbed his toe might disagree). The Swiss (as in most things) have it much better. That's the huge problem with all big state institutions - also just want more money...no talk of reform and efficiency improvements.
 
Dave said:
Where does Umunna have any opinion of himself in your quote?
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I implied it - he obviously switched to this constituency because he thinks he has a good chance of winning it. Gaining roughly 10 000 - 14 000 votes is a big ask and he obviously thinks he can do it.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
The debate around the NHS is severely narrow in the UK - if you seen to criticize it, the Left go complete ape-**** and says it is the "envy of the world" (I'm sure people who have to wait in A&E for hours on end for some guy who stubbed his toe might disagree). The Swiss (as in most things) have it much better. That's the huge problem with all big state institutions - also just want more money...no talk of reform and efficiency improvements.
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So what's your personal experience of the NHS?

Did you stub your toe?
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
I implied it - he obviously switched to this constituency because he thinks he has a good chance of winning it. Gaining roughly 10 000 - 14 000 votes is a big ask and he obviously thinks he can do it.
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You didn't imply anything, you made a direct statement.

Chris_the_Brit said:
Chukka has quite a high opinion of himself....
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If you didn't post so much biased and inaccurate crap people wouldn't think as bad of you as they do...
 
Dave said:
It can definitely be improved and even reformed, the point I was making though is Chris hasn't seen the inside of an NHS hospital, never visited a UK GP yet feels qualified to give his "expert" opinion.
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I have never been to a SA public hospital...I still know it is **** compared to private healthcare.
 
Dave said:
Yes, everyone knows you love giving an expert opinion on issues you are fairly clueless about...
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Are you suggesting I'm wrong about public v private healthcare in SA? :ROFL:

Anyway, I'm about to win some nice £££s tomorrow when Lindsay Hoyle is elected Speaker and to back up that I do have a lot of UK political knowledge, I will be posting my constituency bets that I take, but that won't be for a while. Need to scan the terrain a bit...
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Are you suggesting I'm wrong about public v private healthcare in SA?
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Where did I say that? I simply said you like to give expert opinions on things you're clueless about...


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Anyway, I'm about to win some nice £££s tomorrow when Lindsay Hoyle is elected Speaker and to back up that I do have a lot of UK political knowledge
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Well done on betting on the favourite.

A quick read of twitter would have told you that.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
The irony of course is that the Tories have been the ones fscking the NHS royally for how many years now? That ****** Jeremy Hunt being one of the worst culprits.
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Are you definitely sure about that? One of the big issues is PFIs...begun under Dave's hero, Tony Blair....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_finance_initiative#United_Kingdom

Or the biggest NHS scandal to date happening under Labour? https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/06/mid-staffs-hospital-scandal-guide
 
My experience with the NHS, especially A&E, has been nothing but exceptional. The care I've received after being admitted (wards, doctors, etc) can even be compared to private medical care in SA. They really do try their best with what they have available.

Not sure what an outsider's view of an NHS hospital is, but it's a million miles away from shitholes like JHB Gen, that's for sure. There aren't people dying in the waiting rooms with pangas still stuck in their heads, etc.

Wait times, in my experience, are unnecessarily ramped up by people who go to the A&E when their ailment DOESN'T REQUIRE IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY TREATMENT. I really can't stress that enough! I'm "fortunate" in that I usually get pushed to the front of the triage queue anyway, so usually only have to wait a few minutes when I go. But then again, I'm not there because I've stubbed my toe, or have a hangover (yes, that's an actual reason people go to the A&E).
 
The Voice said:
My experience with the NHS, especially A&E, has been nothing but exceptional. The care I've received after being admitted (wards, doctors, etc) can even be compared to private medical care in SA. They really do try their best with what they have available.

Not sure what an outsider's view of an NHS hospital is, but it's a million miles away from shitholes like JHB Gen, that's for sure. There aren't people dying in the waiting rooms with pangas still stuck in their heads, etc.

Wait times, in my experience, are unnecessarily ramped up by people who go to the A&E when their ailment DOESN'T REQUIRE IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY TREATMENT. I really can't stress that enough! I'm "fortunate" in that I usually get pushed to the front of the triage queue anyway, so usually only have to wait a few minutes when I go. But then again, I'm not there because I've stubbed my toe, or have a hangover (yes, that's an actual reason people go to the A&E).
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That would be my personal experience with the NHS as well.
 
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