The Brexit Thread

[HavocXphere]

So do I, and people here are just talking about it less and less as time goes on.

The ticking clock will fix that soon enough. Unless the UK politicians get their sht together in the next year or so. If yes then the whole thing could go fairly quietly.

I still hear a fair bit about it as part of budgeting & financial modelling chatter at work.

 

[The Voice]

The ticking clock will fix that soon enough. Unless the UK politicians get their sht together in the next year or so. If yes then the whole thing could go fairly quietly.

I still hear a fair bit about it as part of budgeting & financial modelling chatter at work.

I guess it's like everything else. Something happens: terrorist attack, burning building, election, Brexit deal noise - there's some sort of outcry or hashtag for a week or two, and then everything and everyone in the UK pretty much goes back to normal. It's the weirdest thing.

 

[Dave]

So that's perception. Negotiations have hardly even begun...people are making huge judgements based on very little info. Despite Remoaners predicting doom & gloom]

Why do you feel the need to use disparaging terms? I mean Brexit supporters aren't being labelled as racist xenophobic halfwits here, are they?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

My god. A free-trade agreement without free movement of people? Surely that is impossible! That's what Remoaners told me anyway!

Try a bit harder, Chris.

Yawn. Just because one side is spamming this thread from pro-EU left-wing sites doesn't mean anything is setting in.

Yeah, The Times, The Telegraph and the Economist are "left wing sites". :crylaugh:

My poll wasn't about the 'binary' question of whether you would like to leave or remain in the EU. It is based on asking Leave and Remain voters how they would like Brexit to proceed.

Polls like the one you described are useless because the vote happened last year. We are not re-voting to get the 'desired/correct' result. Also those same polls predicted a Remain victory before the referendum so...

Yes, so his is actually more relevant to the actual question of whether people want to remain in or not. It's obvious that many people that would disagree with Brexit overall, but would take the position that it has been decided and so should happen.

Why are the people who are so adamant that "THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S WILL" so afraid of another referendum?

I guess it's like everything else. Something happens: terrorist attack, burning building, election, Brexit deal noise - there's some sort of outcry or hashtag for a week or two, and then everything and everyone in the UK pretty much goes back to normal. It's the weirdest thing.

That's how humans function in many ways. SA is the same.

 

[The Voice]

Why are the people who are so adamant that "THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S WILL" so afraid of another referendum?

Possibly because that type of thinking is a direct attack on democracy, i.e. a percentage didn't get the result that they wanted so let them keep voting until they do. The same thing happened with the recent election (which was a farce).

In all likelihood if we held another referendum now we'd probably just have a similar outcome anyway, so what would be the point?

 

[buka001]

I guess it's like everything else. Something happens: terrorist attack, burning building, election, Brexit deal noise - there's some sort of outcry or hashtag for a week or two, and then everything and everyone in the UK pretty much goes back to normal. It's the weirdest thing.

I agree. It does seem so much more pronounced in the UK. Seems to run in weekly cycles.

The reason I still see and hear much about Brexit, is the industry I work in is populated with many workers from the EU, from unskilled to highly skilled professionals. So there is much chatter about the whole story.

 

[JayM]

Possibly because that type of thinking is a direct attack on democracy, i.e. a percentage didn't get the result that they wanted so let them keep voting until they do. The same thing happened with the recent election (which was a farce).

In all likelihood if we held another referendum now we'd probably just have a similar outcome anyway, so what would be the point?

Polls are showing that the overwhelming majority of the public want a softer approach to Brexit. Why is the will of the people being ignored?

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Polls are showing that the overwhelming majority of the public want a softer approach to Brexit. Why is the will of the people being ignored?

Because apparently the election was about hard Brexit. Who knew?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Possibly because that type of thinking is a direct attack on democracy, i.e. a percentage didn't get the result that they wanted so let them keep voting until they do. The same thing happened with the recent election (which was a farce).

In all likelihood if we held another referendum now we'd probably just have a similar outcome anyway, so what would be the point?

How was the election a farce?

 

[The_Assimilator]

Because apparently the election was about hard Brexit. Who knew?

Nah, it was about dirty immigrants.

 

[The Voice]

How was the election a farce?

May somehow imagined she'd get a landslide, and called an unnecessary election. It all became a bit of a circus over here to be honest. We weren't due to have an election for what, like another 2 years? Instead, we now have a part-DUP government - need I say more?

Part of me thinks she did it on purpose, possibly hoping she'd lose so that she wouldn't be the "Brexit PM". Either way, both outcomes have backfired.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

May somehow imagined she'd get a landslide, and called an unnecessary election. It all became a bit of a circus over here to be honest. We weren't due to have an election for what, like another 2 years? Instead, we now have a part-DUP government - need I say more?

Part of me thinks she did it on purpose, possibly hoping she'd lose so that she wouldn't be the "Brexit PM". Either way, both outcomes have backfired.

Okay, so it was a dangerous miscalculation from May. Not sure how that makes the election a farce?

Tbh much of the concern stems from people not thinking the Tories know wtf they're doing with the Brexit negotiations., not that the clock should be rolled back to before the referendum.

 

[The_Assimilator]

Okay, so it was a dangerous miscalculation from May. Not sure how that makes the election a farce?

Tbh much of the concern stems from people not thinking the Tories know wtf they're doing with the Brexit negotiations., not that the clock should be rolled back to before the referendum.

I think he's saying that May's apparent misreading of sentiment, causing the Tories to end up with less support after the election as opposed to the more they had expected, was farcical. Not the act of the election or the results.

 

[JayM]

German industry has warned Britain not to rely on its help in securing a good Brexit deal, in a stark intervention that strikes a blow at the government’s EU departure plans.

Senior ministers have repeatedly claimed since the election that Germany’s powerful exporters will exert pressure for a deal handing Britain substantial access to the EU’s markets.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/08/german-industry-warns-uk-over-brexit

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Theresa May orders Tory MP to be suspended after using N-word

Classy.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Rebel MPs form cross-party group to oppose hard Brexit

Rebel Tory and Labour MPs have formed a new cross-party group to oppose hard Brexit, as Theresa May prepares to publish her repeal bill this week transposing all EU legislation into British law.

Anna Soubry, the former Tory minister, and Chuka Umunna, the former Labour shadow business secretary, will lead the alliance with other MPs from the Liberal Democrats, the SNP, the Greens and Plaid Cymru in a new attempt to coordinate the parliamentary fight against May’s hard Brexit plan.

The repeal bill is likely to be the first opportunity for the new group, known as the all-party parliamentary group on EU relations, to scrutinise the next phase of Brexit when it is debated in the autumn.

“We won’t accept MPs being treated as spectators in the Brexit process, when we should be on the pitch as active players representing our constituents,” said Umunna, who led the Labour rebellion against leaving the single market last month.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Vote Leave campaign chief Dominic Cummings lambasts "govt morons" over "near-retarded" plans to leave European nuclear agency Euratom

:crylaugh:

 

[HavocXphere]

What do you guys think...exposure to GBP. Yay or nay?

 

[f2wohf]

It seems there are three British governments now, May, Davis and Johnson.

@BorisJohnson #BrexitBill: "I have seen they've proposed to demand from this country seem to be extortionate."
He goes on... "I think go whistle is an entirely appropriate expression."

Johnson also claimed that the government was not making plans for having to leave the EU without a deal.

"There is no plan for no deal, because we are going to get a great deal!" Boris Johnson tells @EmilyThornberry at #FCO questions

This contradicts David Davis, the Brexit secretary, who has said the government has been making contingency plans for having to leave the EU with no deal.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

David Davis: Britain will continue making payments to the EU after Brexit

In what appeared to be a major concession to Brussels, the Brexit Secretary said the UK has “obligations” to fulfill that would “survive the UK’s withdrawal”.

The comment comes ahead of talks next week between Mr Davis and Michel Barnier, the European Union's chief negotiator in the crunch talks.

It also puts the Brexit Secretary at odds with Boris Johnson, who this week agreed that the EU could "go whistle" if it wanted "a penny piece" from the UK after the country leaves the bloc.