The Brexit Thread

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JayM said:
Dave123 comes across as rather centre of the political spectrum, not "leftie". He's not Jeremy Corbyn lol.
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That's standard Pitbull reasoning. Lefty and PC are his punctuation marks, and he often doesn't read up on the subject at hand.
 
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Pitbull said:
Guess I'm the only one following this thread...
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Like a blind man up an unknown path.

Right, so cheap labour will not be available to the UK economy no more due to Brexit. Meaning higher wages, less people dependent on welfare and grants. But o wait, Unemployed only 809K...
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You don't seem to understand there isn't any real "cheap labour", the UK has a relatively high minimum wage. Even a McDonalds monkey earns £15k+ pa.

Who's going to pay the single parents subsidy for schooling? /cry
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Something else you've made up? None of the child based benefits have a special provision for single parents.

Single biggest spending is on State pension...
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Well done!

You got one thing right...


Then housing benefit again, couple this with the unemployed
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There you go again...

Why are you trying to couple housing benefit with the unemployed? Housing benefit is available as an in-work benefit.

I can run down a long list even the 75+ TV license benefit.
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Don't see the relevance to Brexit, work benefits or even working age immigrants.

But I know nothing, having stayed in the UK on and off for about 6 years means nothing. The lefties here know more.
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Can't argue with the bit in bold, your on and off stay at some time in the past doesn't mean much.

For a start you probably weren't even eligible for most of the benefits being discussed, were you?


FACT is that a massive problem economically for the UK is it having massive amounts of people getting government housing, grants that make it worth their while not to work. Kids go to Government schools in Government estates where o wait, school fees are also covered aka "free schools" But who's going to pay for child care? Geesus guys, you are drowning in your own little liberal bullshyte you even believe yourselves.
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I presume you don't understand how the tax credit system works, it's hard to answer when you're spewing Daily Mail type crap there. There are very few grants available in the benefit system (and they are usually one off, first pregnancy, funerals etc), maybe you're confusing SA terms with the UK system.

Having put kids through the UK state school system it works very well overall, you are showing some ignorance again though, a "free school" doesn't refer to school fees.

Child care benefits are nothing to do with the school system either.

The UK has more than enough man power to run a very viable economy. But it doesn't fit with the Lefty agenda so lets just spew bullshyte all over. The more people are employed, the more income is generated and who would have thought, more funds to spend on social grants like state pension and less on Unemployment and free schools.
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The economy is doing fairly well, and pensioners are getting the lion's share of benefits already.

Completely immaterial to Brexit or immigrants though...

The current UK is EXACTLY what a leftist country becomes. Luckily the people of the UK who actually live this every day has made their choice and they are the ones working the change. So just keep on crying using bullshyte excuses :p
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More Daily Mail BS...
 
Pitbull said:
Yes and?

You obviously missed more than 1/2 my post. /facepalm
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Nope. It's just meaningless since you didn't post any evidence.

Pitbull said:
Amazing how little you know about the UK and the culture yet you keep on posting in the Brexit thread...

About 5 MILLION people in the UK claim benefits, The benefits being so good they don't have to work so by choice they don't. Now, with no more cheap labour from Europe, employers will have to pay more to employ them. Cut the benefits since there is employment for them and voilà...
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Give me evidence, please. Not empty rhetoric.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Nope. It's just meaningless since you didn't post any evidence.

Give me evidence, please. Not empty rhetoric.
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We've been there and tried that, it seems to have been sourced from a volume of experience and knowledge derived from the Daily Mail...
 
FTSE 100 subdued as UK inflation rises to highest since June 2014 driven by surge in fuel costs and post-Brexit vote pound weakness

*British consumer prices rose last month at the fastest pace since June 2014


*Tara Cunningham,*business reporter*

14 FEBRUARY 2017 • 5:29PM

British consumer prices jumped 1.8pc last month to its highest level since June 2014, driven by a surge in fuel costs and the post-Brexit vote pound weakness, data from the Office for National Statistics showed this morning.

The inflation figures were slightly below expectations of a 1.9pc rise but are edging closer to the Bank of England target of 2pc. Earlier this month, the Bank forecasts inflation will rise above 2.7pc in a year's time as Brexit pushes costs of imports higher.*

ONS statistician Mike Prestwood said: "The latest rise in CPI was mainly due to rising petrol and diesel prices, along with a significant slowdown in the fall in food prices."*

Separate data from the ONS also showed prices paid by factories for fuel and materials rose at an annual rate of 20.5pc last month, marking its sharpest rise since September 2008.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...s-pound-rises-125-investors-eye-uk-inflation/
 
OrbitalDawn said:
lol.
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Technically, it's true.

The UK is the largest importer of pretty much everything from the mainland, ergo, it's biggest customer. If the EU wants to play hardball re: trade deals, the UK now has the option to just take its business elsewhere. It's also the 2nd largest economic contributor after Germany - the EU is definitely going to miss those billions the UK has been pumping into its coffers every year.
 
The Voice said:
Technically, it's true.

The UK is the largest importer of pretty much everything from the mainland, ergo, it's biggest customer. If the EU wants to play hardball re: trade deals, the UK now has the option to just take its business elsewhere. It's also the 2nd largest economic contributor after Germany - the EU is definitely going to miss those billions the UK has been pumping into its coffers every year.
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If you look at the percentages involved either way it's not really true...
 
The Voice said:
Technically, it's true.

The UK is the largest importer of pretty much everything from the mainland, ergo, it's biggest customer. If the EU wants to play hardball re: trade deals, the UK now has the option to just take its business elsewhere. It's also the 2nd largest economic contributor after Germany - the EU is definitely going to miss those billions the UK has been pumping into its coffers every year.
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Well, no. You're oversimplifying quite a complicated issue.

The UK can't just up and replace everything they import from the EU with other markets. They don't necessarily exist, and if they do, not necessarily at the same (or better) cost. The likelihood is quite low that it would, considering the geographic advantages to trade with the EU. Remember, Britain's exports to the EU amount to 13% of their economy, while the rest of the EU's exports to Britain amount to only 3% of theirs. Hell, 44% of Britain's exports go to the EU. Losing access to that market will hit them way harder than it will the EU.

Additionally, they don't have trade deals to access yet, and won't for a long time, as trade deals take very long to negotiate. And if/when they do get trade deals in place, there's no reason to expect it to be a better deal than they got with the EU. And those other trading partners have no reason to prioritise the UK over the EU as a trading partner. Gigantic single market > UK in terms of overall trade priority.

End of the day, both lose, one might just lose a bit less...
 
ChocolateBadger said:
Can you provide the percentages please?
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You could have just googled it, it's well publicised, but OD has posted in post #196

OrbitalDawn said:
Britain's exports to the EU amount to 13% of their economy, while the rest of the EU's exports to Britain amount to only 3% of theirs. Hell, 44% of Britain's exports go to the EU. Losing access to that market will hit them way harder than it will the EU.
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