The Brexit Thread

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It is all a shambles. Such rampant incompetence, disorganisation and all out confusion.

Literaly no surprise here. The EU must be laughing.
 
They won't laugh Britain is the empire that controlled half the known world 200 years ago. They would do it with glee if they had the same opportunity to do it again
buka001 said:
It is all a shambles. Such rampant incompetence, disorganisation and all out confusion.

Literaly no surprise here. The EU must be laughing.
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Primary reason for that being the people tasked with negotiating brexit do not actually want brexit ...
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So you think a hardcore Brexiter would have rocked up to the negotiations and laid down the law? Delusional.
 
JayM said:
So you think a hardcore Brexiter would have rocked up to the negotiations and laid down the law? Delusional.
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A hardcore brexiter would not be bluffing when they say "hard brexit". The EU know full well that would be an empty threat from the likes of May, from the mouth of a believer it wouldn't be a threat at all, just a statement of preference.

Those are two very different dynamics and they are guaranteed to yield very different outcomes. Whether it's better or not who knows, we'll likely never find out given that everyone at the negotiating table is against brexit.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
A hardcore brexiter would not be bluffing when they say "hard brexit". The EU know full well that would be an empty threat from the likes of May, from the mouth of a believer it wouldn't be a threat at all, just a statement of preference.

Those are two very different dynamics and they are guaranteed to yield very different outcomes. Whether it's better or not who knows, we'll likely never find out given that everyone at the negotiating table is against brexit.
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That's because they all quit their job because they couldn't come up with anything better. :laugh:
 
Checked out.

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Ancalagon said:
They have the legal right to enforce their borders - it is just that doing so is difficult.
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It’s no different for the U.K. just look at all the illegal migrants in the U.K. who aren’t from any EU country. To think that leaving the EU is going make it easier is to completely overestimate the abilities of U.K. immigration, whose budget has been repeatedly gutted by no less than the Tory govt. Most of these migrants don’t enter illegally from the eu, they enter legally as students or visitors and overstay their visa’s. U.K. immigration does not have the resources to follow up on these cases. And no Tory govt is going to give them more either.
 
zippy said:
It’s no different for the U.K. just look at all the illegal migrants in the U.K. who aren’t from any EU country. To think that leaving the EU is going make it easier is to completely overestimate the abilities of U.K. immigration, whose budget has been repeatedly gutted by no less than the Tory govt. Most of these migrants don’t enter illegally from the eu, they enter legally as students or visitors and overstay their visa’s. U.K. immigration does not have the resources to follow up on these cases. And no Tory govt is going to give them more either.
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And useless Tory government regulations means even when the police or border agency officers catch an illegal they’re often bailed back out pending a hearing.

Guess how many just disappear after being released pending the hearing?
 
zippy said:
It’s no different for the U.K. just look at all the illegal migrants in the U.K. who aren’t from any EU country. To think that leaving the EU is going make it easier is to completely overestimate the abilities of U.K. immigration, whose budget has been repeatedly gutted by no less than the Tory govt. Most of these migrants don’t enter illegally from the eu, they enter legally as students or visitors and overstay their visa’s. U.K. immigration does not have the resources to follow up on these cases. And no Tory govt is going to give them more either.
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It's likely also just like the US where they provide a crucial supply of labour (which is why no government has done anything about it) and have higher labour force participation rates (and lower crime rates) than the native born population.
 
Dave said:
You’re being remarkably reserved in that criticism.

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Far more colourful language spoken in the office today.

But to be fair to May, she was given a dead duck by Brexiters and asked to deliver a fanciful all singing, all dancing dream of utopia.

None of them have delivered an iota of anything substantial to the deal.
 
Dave said:
And how would a hard Brexiteer have sold the Irish border question?
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There's nothing special about the border other than it being the only land border the UK has. Hundreds of countries around the world have been dealing with land borders for centuries, including the UK itself in many of its past colonies. It really isn't anywhere near as big, and certainly not unique, a problem to solve as it is made out to be.

It's a land border with another nation, decide if you want it to be porous or not, decide if you trust that nation or not and act accordingly.
 
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