The Brexit Thread

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NarrowBandFtw said:
/snip eggs in face
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Which one has added more countries to their club over the last few years, Russia or USA? Haha got him, check mate, the US obviously isn't imperialistic or an expansionist. Simple hey Narrow.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Which one has added more countries to their club over the last few years, Russia or USA? Haha got him, check mate, the US obviously isn't imperialistic or an expansionist. Simple hey Narrow.
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/looks at topic
/looks at the question that now, for the second time Unhappy has failed to answer correctly
/laughs
 
Unhappy438 said:
Oh so you cant see why your question is retarded.
/laughs
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It's not, but explaining that to a retard is a lost cause apparently. You bring up 1 thing vs another and when called out on one specific metric that may just mean you ought to think twice you bring in an entirely irrelevant separate comparison.

So not only do we now know you struggle with both "crying wolf" and "egg on face" expressions to the point of just not having a clue what they mean, but we also know you move goalposts at all costs when called on your bs, even if it means moving goalposts from the rugby field to the cricket field.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
It's not, but explaining that to a retard is a lost cause apparently. You bring up 1 thing vs another and when called out on one specific metric that may just mean you ought to think twice you bring in an entirely irrelevant separate comparison.

So not only do we now know you struggle with both "crying wolf" and "egg on face" expressions to the point of just not having a clue what they mean, but we also know you move goalposts at all costs when called on your bs, even if it means moving goalposts from the rugby field to the cricket field.
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Called on my bs :ROFL: , if your question wasnt so incredibly dumb you would have easily been able to answer a single on of my counter questions, but i guess the African Union with its 55 new "club" members is by your metric worse than Nazi Germany when it comes to expansion and imperialism.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Called on my bs :ROFL: , if your question wasnt so incredibly dumb you would have easily been able to answer a single on of my counter questions, but i guess the African Union with its 55 new "club" members is by your metric worse than Nazi Germany when it comes to expansion and imperialism.
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The spirit is willing, the flesh is weak. ;)
 
Unhappy438 said:
Called on my bs :ROFL: , if your question wasnt so incredibly dumb you would have easily been able to answer a single on of my counter questions, but i guess the African Union with its 55 new "club" members is by your metric worse than Nazi Germany when it comes to expansion and imperialism.
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Does the African union / BRICS / <insert another completely irrelevant goal post moving example here> dictate laws to its members and enforce open borders against their will?

That's news to me ...

/s
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Does the African union / BRICS / <insert another completely irrelevant goal post moving example here> dictate laws to its members and enforce open borders against their will?

That's news to me ...

/s
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Does the country entering the EU voluntary and with a seat on the council not know the laws beforehand?

Thats news to me...

/s
 
Unhappy438 said:
Does the country entering the EU voluntary and with a seat on the council not know the laws beforehand?
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Yeah all those anti-EU riots these days and all the anti-EU riots when various countries entered into it are just by ill informed people. It was all done on the up and up.

Not like some countries' elites had the accounts cooked by professional fraudsters just to qualify and forever become indebted serfs to the EU, Greece is all happy and always has been ...

Hell Brexit is entirely unnecessary too, after all, they knew exactly what they got into 40 years ago before schengen even existed ...
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Yeah all those anti-EU riots these days and all the anti-EU riots when various countries entered into it are just by ill informed people. It was all done on the up and up.
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Look at all those anti Trump protests, i guess he wasn't elected on the up and up either. :rolleyes:

NarrowBandFtw said:
Not like some countries' elites had the accounts cooked by professional fraudsters just to qualify and forever become indebted serfs to the EU, Greece is all happy and always has been ...

Hell Brexit is entirely unnecessary too, after all, they knew exactly what they got into 40 years ago before schengen even existed ...
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Lol Brexit disproves your entire retarded narrative :ROFL:
 
The Irish question! First declare my interest. My mother regarded herself as Irish. She was born in 1911 in England, as were her parents. At that time, Ireland was part of the UK. My grandfather was a supporter and member of Sinn Fein, and was all for Irish Independence. He resigned from Sinn Fein in around 1921 due to his 'disgust' (my mother's words) with the Irish Civil War of 1922 on. I am a Catholic of sorts, and was educated by the Irish Christian Brothers in England. To have that background in the UK in the 1930s was to be 'from the wrong side of the tracks', which was still evident after WWII to an extent.

As part of the deal the Irish were part of a Common Passport Area, and could live and work in the UK without restriction without need of a passport, and the UK citizens had reciprocal rights. Many people from Ireland did in fact come to work in the UK post independence. Some Civil Servants such as Officers of Customs & Excise could choose to work for the UK or the Irish equivalents.

Many young girls came to the UK to train as teachers and nurses, particularly near ferry ports such as Liverpool. Catholic priests were common too, some even regarding themselves as missionaries. One British Bishop took exception to that in my hearing!

When the question of the EEC, or Common Market, arose (President de Gaulle vetoed the first UK approach), the Irish did not want to lose their CPA rights, and for that reason alone would have joined with us I expect.
The Irish did not do so badly out of it at first, but suffered somewhat post 2008. I do not know for sure, but I expect the CAP suited the Irish with their large number of small farms caused by them not having primogeniture as the basis of inheritance.

So I arrive in County Clare the weekend after the referendum, and am very charmingly but pointedly asked what on earth we Brits think we are playing at! I was a bit surprised as I had not considered the Irish position when voting. Clearly they have a concern re the CPA for one. They also dislike the idea of a border with Northern Ireland, which everyone pretends does not exist - but which I have helped to police in the 90s. There are still duty considerations between the two States, as with the rest of the EU. Just try and take a van load of liquor or tobacco from the EU through Dover to find out what I mean!

My first reaction was to think that when the Irish demanded independence, and got it, they had to take the rough with the smooth. If I should need a passport to visit Ireland, so be it. But the demand in the papers that weekend seemed to be along the lines that the UK was being selfish and disregarding the interests of the Irish. I did not see the strength of that at all. I still don't. The Irish might possibly have to choose between Schengen and the CPA, but not necessarily to my mind. As to the Border with Northern Ireland, I don't see the issue, except for the pan irish people. Should Northern Ireland choose to secede from the Union, what would be the problem?
 
Frequent visitor said:
As to the Border with Northern Ireland, I don't see the issue, except for the pan irish people. Should Northern Ireland choose to secede from the Union, what would be the problem?
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Perhaps ask the average unionist in Belfast that question....
 
Frequent visitor said:
If they did it would be their choice surely?
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The problem is that not everyone in Northern Ireland agrees on what Northern Ireland should be a part of. After the "troubles" went on for 30 odd years, do you think all those people who steadfastly wanted to remain part of the UK will now suddenly flip?
 
Cray said:
The problem is that not everyone in Northern Ireland agrees on what Northern Ireland should be a part of. After the "troubles" went on for 30 odd years, do you think all those people who steadfastly wanted to remain part of the UK will now suddenly flip?
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I was under the distinct impression that the troubles were because the UK didn't want to let Ireland go...
 
Gingerbeardman said:
I was under the distinct impression that the troubles were because the UK didn't want to let Ireland go...
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A majority of the population of Northen Ireland see themselves as part of the UK and wish to remain so.
 
Cray said:
The problem is that not everyone in Northern Ireland agrees on what Northern Ireland should be a part of. After the "troubles" went on for 30 odd years, do you think all those people who steadfastly wanted to remain part of the UK will now suddenly flip?
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Then stay in the UK.
 
Gingerbeardman said:
I was under the distinct impression that the troubles were because the UK didn't want to let Ireland go...
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Probably because more than 50% of the population of Northern Ireland didn't want to leave the UK either...
 
Gingerbeardman said:
I was under the distinct impression that the troubles were because the UK didn't want to let Ireland go...
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The real problem was that the the Northern Irish treated the southerners amongst them as second class citizens with gerrymandering and so on. Then they saw some sense.
 
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