The Brexit Thread

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If Brexit leads to the reunification of Ireland I would consider Brexit a great triumph.
In my opinion some form of Brexit is essential - indefinite delays or more referendums are unacceptable.
They have to get out before they can get back in.
As a europhile I can't help enjoying this moment of schadenfreude.
 
Verde said:
No one in NI wants independence. Not an option.
In the 2017 election Unionist parties got 49% of the vote (the 1st time their share fell under 50%) and Republican parties got 42%.
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Though of course an election isn’t any real indication of unionist or nationalist voting intention.

There are some Catholic (nationalist/republican) voters who are still proud of being Northern Irish.

There is a yearly poll held in NI, support for joining the Republic is hovering around 20%.

According to a 2014 Northern Ireland Life and Times Survey carried out by Queens University Belfast and Ulster University, 66% supported remaining part of the United Kingdom via devolved government or direct rule, with support for leaving the UK and forming a united Ireland at 17%.

In terms of religion, 50% of Northern Ireland Catholics supported remaining part of the United Kingdom via devolved government or direct rule, usually while also supporting nationalist political parties.[19]

The proportion of Catholics supporting a united Ireland was 32%, according to the same poll. The proportion of Protestants in the study who wished to join the Republic was 4%, with 87% preferring to remain in the United Kingdom in some form.[19]

There are also considerable numbers of people who give ambiguous answers to questions about the future constitutional status of Northern Ireland. Some nationalists have historically sought a favourable arrangement for Ireland within the United Kingdom.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Views_on_the_Union

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Dave said:
There is a yearly poll held in NI, support for joining the Republic is hovering around 20%.
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Wow, did not know that. I hope Brexit will be the catalyst to change that dynamic.

I am very curious to find out how the hard brexiteers (who also tend to be the most ardent supporters of the union) would react when the penny drops and they realise that Brexit and the Union are mutually exclusive.
Do they prioritise the 300 year union or the dream of ceding their freedom to British politicians (aka reclaiming sovereignty).
 
Verde said:
I hope Brexit will be the catalyst to change that dynamic.
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I think if things go wrong it’s going to be a big swing to unification, even though as NI citizens already have Irish citizenship rights they will all remain EU citizens even after Brexit.

There is the other problem that the GFA guarantees ECHR jurisdiction to NI is another problem that the politicians haven’t even mentioned they need to resolve.
 
f2wohf said:
The EU (thanks to its crystal ball) saw in 2013 that the UK was going to leave and started negotiations 6 years before Brexit just to cater for Brexit. :ROFL:

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japan-economic-partnership-agreement/
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cool thx, tried to find that quick earlier. so that has all be established ages ago.

moving this vehicles production away from that plant is somehow brexit and has nothing to do with the fact that its a diesel suv x trail. why keep producing the rest there if its basically all about brexit..

diesel sales down.

https://www.reuters.com/article/europe-diesel/european-diesel-car-sales-plummet-iea-idUSL8N1WS22L

while electric sees an increase

https://thedriven.io/2018/11/12/electric-car-sales-surge-in-europe-as-diesel-car-sales-slump/

and the eu gets more strict with diesel on top of it all.

seems like a pretty darn weird thing to pin on brexit. fta has been established, why not move that diesel car away europe.

surely if it was brexit, the nissan leaf would be moved from sunderland. since its(electrical car) sales are going up
 
a toothless rule that is never strictly applied, our very own MIDP / APDP has been flagged by the WTO a couple of times, there's never been any backlash
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There is backlash. However the motor industry aside, if the UK is subject to WTO rules and fails to give equal access countries can complain and there can be consequences for the UK.
 
C4Cat said:
The UK wants the Belfast Agreement to stand and also wants a hard border with the EU. This is not possible, as Ireland is the EU and the Belfast Agreement requires free trade between Ireland and Northern Ireland
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Cray said:
The UK wants a hard brexxit which requires a hard border between it and the EU, if the EU and the UK are under different customs regimes this means there need to be checks on both sides of the border, one by EU customs and one by UK customs.
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Small correction to this - the UK doesn't want a hard border / Hard Brexit. Parliament rejected it and no one other than clowns like Rees-Mogg want it. Very prominent Leave campaigners promised it wouldn't be a Hard Brexit and that "no one" is saying that would happen.

The problem being, as C4Cat pointed out, that they've also rejected the only possible deal that avoids it.

They're in an impossible position, which they've argued themselves into due to lies and entirely unrealistic promises.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Small correction to this - the UK doesn't want a hard border / Hard Brexit. Parliament rejected it and no one other than clowns like Rees-Mogg want it.
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Too true, I must admit that when I think of Brexxit campaigners it's always Rees-Mogg who comes to mind even though his position is by no means typical of what most people wanted from Brexxit.
 
Cray said:
Too true, I must admit that when I think of Brexxit campaigners it's always Rees-Mogg who comes to mind even though his position is by no means typical of what most people wanted from Brexxit.
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Well, he is one of the few millionaire hedgefunders who are pushing for Brexit to make a financial killing that are publicly involved in the process...
 
OrbitalDawn said:
US Congress warns hard border could threaten US-UK trade deal

lol.
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Well everyone and their dog still fearmongering, it is ridiculous.

Government departments work like government departments until someone tells them to do something differently. The day after a no deal Brexit will be just like the day before a no deal Brexit until they start implementing a new policy about how to deal with cross border trade. They don't even need a deal with the EU. Britain, Ireland and whoever can enforce their own border as hard as they like. They can stop everything and cause a huge fsckup or they can just continue sensibly and address problems as they pop up.

You don't even need the government and government agreements at the border to have free trade.
 
rietrot said:
You don't even need the government and government agreements at the border to have free trade.
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Absolutely
In most developed countries where you have a law abiding majority one hardly needs government AT ALL
It would be an interesting exercise to peel back ALL the layers of "government" one by one and see how much difference it made to CIVIL society ..........
 
ToxicBunny said:
Umm, no... Ireland is not part of the UK, Northern Ireland is. Ireland is a seperate country all together.
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C4Cat said:
I think you're confused. Ireland is not part of the UK
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If you want to get technical, Ireland is the name of the island fyi, the entire island. The island of Ireland consists of two countries: Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, one of which of course is part of the UK.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
If you want to get technical, Ireland is the name of the island fyi, the entire island. The island of Ireland consists of two countries: Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, one of which of course is part of the UK.
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Did it ever look like we were talking about the island itself?

And to be non-technical the Republic of Ireland is generally referred to as Ireland.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Did it ever look like we were talking about the island itself?
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It doesn't matter, only one entity officially carries the proper noun Ireland as a single word, that is the island.

I did point out this is "if you want to get technical" did I not?
 
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