The Brexit Thread

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NarrowBandFtw said:
As I've said in this thread multiple times, and still maintain, there isn't a single Torie or Labour MP that is truly pro-brexit. Some just make the right noises that they believe voters want to hear, but they all want to maintain the status quo and certainly not go through with brexit.

May is no different, so I reckon she knows what she wants.
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I think you are wrong...it's just that Brexiteers are largely out-numbered...the House of Commons is highly unrepresentative of the country at large in terms of the referendum outcome.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100380251845210112

Brexiteers are hugely popular outside the Westminster bubble, as can be seen here (tickets were around 40 quid if I remember correctly). And this is London remember - not really Jacob Rees Mogg friendly territory...imagine if he had a talk in the English countryside!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100379539526598656
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Do you support continuation of process X?
Do you support continued membership of Y?

They're both open ended if the answer ends up being 'no'. No difference.
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Reading. Not your strong point...

and which is aimed at a new Constitution through negotiation?
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But I guess I should expect that from somebody who considers my President (elected with more votes than his two predecessors) as non-democratically elected. :ROFL:
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
I think you are wrong...it's just that Brexiteers are largely out-numbered...the House of Commons is highly unrepresentative of the country at large in terms of the referendum outcome.
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Arguably the Commons is more representative of the country at large in 2019.
 
Dave said:
Has anyone had a workable plan for the backstop? The idiots like ReesMogg have promised unicorns and leprechauns but I’ve yet to see anyone come up with a genuinely workable plan that doesn’t mean the hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland returns the day no deal (or even hard) Brexit happens.
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It is something that needs to be explored in greater detail.
 
f2wohf said:
Reading. Not your strong point...
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You have a mirror handy?

The wording is equally non-committal. "aimed at", "negotiation", puhlease, could just as easily say: are you in favour of leaving the EU and negotiating a new trade agreement aimed at benefiting the UK more

It. means. f-all.
 
ToxicBunny said:
How do you get to that number?
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Because of the MPs who declared which way they were voting. But it's a bit fuzzier now since the 2017 GE and the fact that some Brexiteers who are Cabinet Ministers support May's deal. Then there also MPs who supported Remain but because their constituents voted heavily for Leave, will (a) not vote for a 2nd referendum and (b) not vote for May's deal.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
You have a mirror handy?

The wording is equally non-committal. "aimed at", "negotiation", puhlease, could just as easily say: are you in favour of leaving the EU and negotiating a new trade agreement aimed at benefiting the UK more

It. means. f-all.
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Legally, it indicates an intention and a process to follow.

It can be upheld in court if such process is not in good faith.

But I'm sure that your legal analysis skills guided you to judge it's f-all.
 
f2wohf said:
Legally, it indicates an intention and a process to follow.

It can be upheld in court if such process is not in good faith.
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and it can be tied up in court forever to argue what the intention truly was and what process was envisioned etc etc etc. in practise it still means nothing, it would still be vague and non-committal and not put anything more concrete in place

you'd essentially need a separate referendum on every sticking point in the negotiations which is impossible, the brexit referendum was more than clear enough, the people voted leave, the UK must leave
- not sign up for membership in disguise
- not let the beatings continue until morale improves (aka keep voting until they vote correctly)
- not delay things
- leave, even without a deal, leaving is the one thing that was crystal clear, so leave
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and it can be tied up in court forever to argue what the intention truly was and what process was envisioned etc etc etc. in practise it still means nothing, it would still be vague and non-committal and not put anything more concrete in place

you'd essentially need a separate referendum on every sticking point in the negotiations which is impossible, the brexit referendum was more than clear enough, the people voted leave, the UK must leave
- not sign up for membership in disguise
- not let the beatings continue until morale improves (aka keep voting until they vote correctly)
- not delay things
- leave, even without a deal, leaving is the one thing that was crystal clear, so leave
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:rolleyes:

It puts a duty to negotiate in good faith and not delay leaving. That's not nothing, that's exactly what has been lacking all along.

Whatever floats your boat...
 
Pitbull said:
Jusus you're anal fml. It's a hypothetical example you ****ing moron... geesus
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You realize that Jesus and Mormons (I assume you meant "mormon") are human/divine beings and cannot be transported on pallets either? /s
 
f2wohf said:
The Deal/No Deal/Art50 extension has nothing to do?

Maybe if a tad of certainty was given ahead (as should be expected from a pro business government), they would have been able to prepare.
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The uncertainty is created by the remoaners. They keep clinging to hope that Brexit won't happen. It's happening. Companies who don't plan accordingly and hope for some form of miracle only has themselves to blame. They could have prepared accordingly instead of doing nothing and hoping for the best.

Some companies have been proactive and already moved out as per our discussion yesterday. So those left behind only have themselves to blame for not planning accordingly
 
Pitbull said:
The uncertainty is created by the remoaners. They keep clinging to hope that Brexit won't happen. It's happening. Companies who don't plan accordingly and hope for some form of miracle only has themselves to blame. They could have prepared accordingly instead of doing nothing and hoping for the best.

Some companies have been proactive and already moved out as per our discussion yesterday. So those left behind only have themselves to blame for not planning accordingly
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Well, maybe the Government could say "we leave in March no matter what".

This would settle things.
 
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