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Dave said:
According to Reuters the EU has agreed to a new delay until the 31st of October
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So the EU, who supposedly hold all the cards in this "negotiation" folds yet again.

Paging whatever brain cells are actually functioning in the UK parliament: this means they are scared of hard brexit, which confirms hard brexit is the best leverage you have, grow a pair and play that angle FFS!
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Brilliant NBFTW logic as usual. May asks for a delay, EU grants it. "EU folds!"
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Clear, and classic, OD complete lack of comprehension and logic.

The EU has been talking a big game for over 2 years of how it is ready for no deal, how there will be no further negotiations, how there will be no extension. They have folded on that bluff, not once, not twice, at least three times by:
- having the courts clarify that the UK can unilaterally revoke article 50
- agreeing to the first extension
- now agreeing to yet another extension

they folded, anyone with a brain can see it, but it would seem the UK parliament is filled with people more closely aligned with your level of intellect, which is why the UK is screwed no matter what
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Clear, and classic, OD complete lack of comprehension and logic.

The EU has been talking a big game for over 2 years of how it is ready for no deal, how there will be no further negotiations, how there will be no extension. They have folded on that bluff, not once, not twice, at least three times by:
- having the courts clarify that the UK can unilaterally revoke article 50
- agreeing to the first extension
- now agreeing to yet another extension

they folded, anyone with a brain can see it, but it would seem the UK parliament is filled with people more closely aligned with your level of intellect, which is why the UK is screwed no matter what
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I realise you're chronically incapable of understanding this, but their position has always been that hard Brexit is bad for both and it should be avoided if at all possible. It's not "folding" if you're sticking to your original position.

Folding is what the Brexiteers now backing May's deal are doing.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
I realise you're chronically incapable of understanding this, but their position has always been that hard Brexit is bad for both and it should be avoided if at all possible. It's not "folding" if you're sticking to your original position.

Folding is what the Brexiteers now backing May's deal are doing.
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oh come off it, I gave you three specific examples where the EU backed down from a prior hard line

do you deny the EU explicitly said there will be no delays previously? would you like some articles to that effect?
that was a hard line, it no longer is, they folded

and there aren't any actual brexiteers backing May's plan, only fair weather flip-flopping faux brexiteers, that's the only type in the UK parliament
 
It is a little known fact that Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 was commissioned by the London Philharmonic Society, who also sent Beethoven a donation of 100 pounds (a lot of money in those days) when they found out that he was ill and unable to work. So if it weren't for the English, well, we might not today have Beethoven's Symphony No. 9, one of the greatest compositions in all of music.

Here's a quotation about the English from one of Beethoven's letters:

This letter will be given to you by an intelligent Englishman; they are generally very able fellows, with whom I should like to pass some time in their own country.
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After having received the 100 pounds donation from the London Philharmonic Society (and not from an Austrian or German benefactor as one might have expected, considering that Beethoven was German and had resided in Austria for his entire adult life), Anton Schindler, Beethoven's secretary, reported:

The Society had comforted his last days, and that event on the brink of the grave he thanked the Society and the whole English nation for the great gift, God bless them.’
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Said Madame Fanny Linzbauer, who had donated Johann Schaller's famous bust of Beethoven to the London Philharmonic Society, of the English:

England will ever be considered the highest and best friend of that man, who was so much distinguished by nature.
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A friend of Beethoven's is a friend of mine. England shall prevail!
 
They played a snippet of May's talk this morning on the radio, she seemed to say that the extension is October but it will happen sooner hopefully on them reaching an agreement on the UK side of the water. She was hoping to have agreement in place and acted on by either the start or end of June I think, can't quiet recall.

Seemed to be wishful thinking considering how little agreement there has been to date, but good luck to her.
 
Cius said:
They played a snippet of May's talk this morning on the radio, she seemed to say that the extension is October but it will happen sooner hopefully on them reaching an agreement on the UK side of the water. She was hoping to have agreement in place and acted on by either the start or end of June I think, can't quiet recall.

Seemed to be wishful thinking considering how little agreement there has been to date, but good luck to her.
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Simply put (if that is at all possible) the whole Brexit saga is wishful thinking.
 
LIVE: Civil service told to stand down no-deal Brexit operational planning - Sky sources

'Objective is to wind down no-deal planning in an orderly way'

Sky News has seen a letter from a senior Whitehall source that makes the announcement.

It says: "In common with the rest of government, we have stood down our no-deal operational planning with immediate effect.

"This morning, at a meeting chaired by the cabinet secretary, we agreed that the objective is to ensure we wind down our no-deal planning in a careful, considered and orderly way."
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https://news.sky.com/story/may-warned-not-to-waste-halloween-brexit-extension-11690290
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
oh come off it, I gave you three specific examples where the EU backed down from a prior hard line

do you deny the EU explicitly said there will be no delays previously? would you like some articles to that effect?
that was a hard line, it no longer is, they folded

and there aren't any actual brexiteers backing May's plan, only fair weather flip-flopping faux brexiteers, that's the only type in the UK parliament
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No, you didn't. You named some things that you claim are hard lines, but they never claimed are. While their actual original position has still not changed.

The flip-flopping and 'folding' is from Brexiteers and May.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
No, you didn't. You named some things that you claim are hard lines, but they never claimed are. While their actual original position has still not changed.
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https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...cision-extending-the-period-under-article-50/
Under the European Council decision, in the event that the withdrawal agreement is approved by the House of Commons by 29 March 2019 at the latest, the extension will be until 22 May 2019. In the event that the withdrawal agreement is not approved by the House of Commons by 29 March 2019, the extension will be until 12 April 2019
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oh look, the agreement has NOT been approved by 29 March, and yet the extension is NOT until 12 April
yeah they didn't fold at all
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...cision-extending-the-period-under-article-50/

In the event that the withdrawal agreement is not approved by the House of Commons by 29 March 2019, the extension will be until 12 April 2019
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oh look, the agreement has NOT been approved by 29 March, and yet the extension is NOT until 12 April
yeah they didn't fold at all
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Your word NOT changes the wording of the quote, there’s no “not” in the dates. The agreement was until the 12th, not from the 12th...
 
Dave said:
Your word NOT changes the wording of the quote, there’s no “not” in the dates. The agreement was until the 12th, not from the 12th...
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not a single mention of 31 October, yet no agreement approved = the EU folded

would you like that drawn in crayon?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
not a single mention of 31 October, yet no agreement approved = the EU folded

would you like that drawn in crayon?
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I think you keep all your crayons, you need them.

How would your linked press release dated 22/03/19 have any mention of the 31/10/19 date that was only agreed on yesterday?


PS

You have seen your mistake in the way you interpreted that statement about the 12th?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/...cision-extending-the-period-under-article-50/


oh look, the agreement has NOT been approved by 29 March, and yet the extension is NOT until 12 April
yeah they didn't fold at all
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Is that it? Seriously? There's no hard line indicated anywhere in there.

The very next sentence:

In that event, the UK will indicate a way forward before 12 April 2019, for consideration by the European Council.
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Which May did, by groveling and asking for another extension.

And as it says right there that Article 50 includes the provision that it can be extended if both parties agree, which they did.
 
Dave said:
I think you keep all your crayons, you need them.

How would your linked press release dated 22/03/19 have any mention of the 31/10/19 date that was only agreed on yesterday?


PS

You have seen your mistake in the way you interpreted that statement about the 12th?
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Unfortunate that he was rendered blind immediately upon finishing that paragraph and missing this part:

"In that event, the UK will indicate a way forward before 12 April 2019, for consideration by the European Council."

Would have looked a bit less silly if he were able to read it.
 
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