The Brexit Thread

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The pro-Brexit campaign group, Leave.EU, faked a viral video and appear to have staged photos of “migrants”, shortly before the EU referendum.
An investigation by Channel 4 News found that images purporting to show “migrants” attacking young women in London seem to have been staged.
The group – backed by businessman Arron Banks – was also behind a fake video, claiming to show how easy it is for migrants to sneak into Britain. In reality, satellite data shows the men on board had not left UK waters.

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https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-how-leave-eu-faked-migrant-footage
 
Pitbull said:
You know how a majority is allocated in a vote right? You don't vote, you don't count. Simple as that.
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Fact is, only around 25% of UK citizens voted to leave the EU... Simple as that
 
C4Cat said:
Fact is, only around 25% of UK citizens voted to leave the EU... Simple as that
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51% of the voters voted to exit the EU. That is a fact, and what counts.

It's like saying the ANC didn't win the election as only 58% of the voters voted /facepalm
 
C4Cat said:
Fact is, only around 25% of UK citizens voted to leave the EU... Simple as that
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If you knew anything about stats or just how elections work, you would realise that you are now being completely stupid. The sample size is big enough to establish a trend.
1. Everyone who didn't vote would have voted along the same trend.
2. They don't count, because they didn't bother to go and vote.

Leave won with more than 50% majority.
 
Pitbull said:
51% of the voters voted to exit the EU. That is a fact, and what counts.

It's like saying the ANC didn't win the election as only 58% of the voters voted /facepalm
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That's what counts, but it's still incorrect to say the majority of citizens voted to leave the EU. I'm not disputing that leave won the referendum count, I'm disputing your assertion that the majority of citizens voted to leave the EU, it is, in reality, a minority. This is why Leave is terrified of a second referendum.
 
C4Cat said:
That's what counts, but it's still incorrect to say the majority of citizens voted to leave the EU. I'm not disputing that leave won the referendum count, I'm disputing your assertion that the majority of citizens voted to leave the EU, it is, in reality, a minority. This is why Leave is terrified of a second referendum.
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So it's a game of semantics now for the remoaners? The Majority vote in the referendum was to leave the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. That is how votes work.
 
C4Cat said:
That's what counts, but it's still incorrect to say the majority of citizens voted to leave the EU. I'm not disputing that leave won the referendum count, I'm disputing your assertion that the majority of citizens voted to leave the EU, it is, in reality, a minority. This is why Leave is terrified of a second referendum.
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Less voters participated in the last French presidential election than the brexit referendum. Should we inform France they better have another one as Macron clearly is not the legitimate president?

Fact is the brexit turnout was more or less average as elections go. It is as legitimate as any election.
 
Dave said:
So legitimate that the High Court said that if hadn’t been a purely advisory referendum they would have voided the result due to all the irregularities?
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We're discussing the turnout specifically here though, the turnout was quite typical of any election. Any talk of how not everyone voted and therefor the majority opinion was not measured is hogwash.

Still, source for this high court proclamation? Sounds like judicial overreach to be honest, can't imagine any "irregularities" that were severe enough to have swayed the ultimate outcome of the vote.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
We're discussing the turnout specifically here though, the turnout was quite typical of any election. Any talk of how not everyone voted and therefor the majority opinion was not measured is hogwash.

Still, source for this high court proclamation? Sounds like judicial overreach to be honest, can't imagine any "irregularities" that were severe enough to have swayed the ultimate outcome of the vote.
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I posted it previously, it was in the High Court action in Jan/Feb.
 
C4Cat said:
Fact is, only around 25% of UK citizens voted to leave the EU... Simple as that
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Not really as simple as that. What matters is the percentage of those that went to vote. That's true of every election. Otherwise we might as well also say that the majority of the population didn't vote for the current government or in fact any UK government for a long time (probably decades).
 
noxibox said:
Not really as simple as that. What matters is the percentage of those that went to vote. That's true of every election. Otherwise we might as well also say that the majority of the population didn't vote for the current government or in fact any UK government for a long time (probably decades).
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That's what matters in terms of the results and the consequences. I doesn't matter at all when someone makes an assertion that the majority of the people voted for brexit - which is a false assertion. The majority of people did not vote for brexit. It doesn't change the result or the consequences of that result though. Given the deception though, from both sides, it's not 'unforgivable' or 'anti-democratic' to demand a second referendum, one based on a more informed population. It shouldn't even be controversial. Other countries have reversed referendums when it was found the public was misinformed or information was withheld. Kenya did it, Switzerland did it just the other day.
 
https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy
In an unmissable talk, journalist Carole Cadwalladr digs into one of the most perplexing events in recent times: the UK's super-close 2016 vote to leave the European Union. Tracking the result to a barrage of misleading Facebook ads targeted at vulnerable Brexit swing voters -- and linking the same players and tactics to the 2016 US presidential election -- Cadwalladr calls out the "gods of Silicon Valley" for being on the wrong side of history and asks: Are free and fair elections a thing of the past?
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OrbitalDawn said:
Remarkable how the same people who very openly sneer at ANC/EFF supporters (only vote for them because of KFC/t-shirts/stupidity etc.) never apply the kind of logic they use in this thread to South Africa. Here it's all righteous indignation.



And he supports people who have nothing but contempt for the "working class". They like using them as election fodder, but they're the useless, corrupt "elite" that will stoke xenophobia to split working class people, while at the same time gutting their public services and enriching themselves.
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It's actually the Remoaner middle class socialist twats who have contempt for the working class - plenty of them on Twitter. Dan Snow, Gary Lineker, that weirdo Queen's Counsel lawyer, Alistair Campbell, Tony Blair and David Lammy are just few off the top of my head. But you know this and just making it up as you go along. By the way, around 25% of graduates voted for Brexit, so it wasn't only the working class who voted for Brexit.

And you also clearly have no idea what is meant by the "elite". Yes Farage went to a private school but he is distinctly not part of the "cultural" elite, he is fighting against that.
 
C4Cat said:
That's what matters in terms of the results and the consequences. I doesn't matter at all when someone makes an assertion that the majority of the people voted for brexit - which is a false assertion. The majority of people did not vote for brexit. It doesn't change the result or the consequences of that result though. Given the deception though, from both sides, it's not 'unforgivable' or 'anti-democratic' to demand a second referendum, one based on a more informed population. It shouldn't even be controversial. Other countries have reversed referendums when it was found the public was misinformed or information was withheld. Kenya did it, Switzerland did it just the other day.
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Eh, you're just playing a game of semantics when you consider the original question.
 
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