The Brexit Thread

[rietrot]

Perhaps he is ignorant of the decades of violence and death over that border?

I am somewhat. I haven't found that interesting enough to really delve into the details. So do you expect the IRA will try and do more terrorist stuff and blow some innocent people up?

 

[Spizz]

More remoaner doomsday prophesies...

Let's see how it all unfolds.

Indeed.

 

[JayM]

I am somewhat. I haven't found that interesting enough to really delve into the details. So do you expect the IRA will try and do more terrorist stuff and blow some innocent people up?

Yes, it's a certainty if a hard border goes up. Keep in mind that the border literally runs through houses and many people live one side of the border and work on the other.

 

[Spizz]

I am somewhat. I haven't found that interesting enough to really delve into the details. So do you expect the IRA will try and do more terrorist stuff and blow some innocent people up?

With a hard border, 100%, yes.

 

[buka001]

Oh, you mean you have no idea. Why not just say so?



Ah, there you go.

The issue is not with the Republic of Ireland and Europe, the issue is with Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement.

I love nothing more than reading absolute ignorance on the whole Irish matter of Brexit. It is like a big red swash of paint identifying those who pile on this matter because it is something that those within their tribe must do, rather than examining the matter independently and assessing the actual parameters and deciding for one self what is at stake.

 

[rietrot]

With a hard border, 100%, yes.

There isn't going to be a hard border ever. It isn't practical as someone just said. The border runs through some houses. The main issue will be who pays who which import tariffs and taxes.

This is where the EU rules will be a issue for Ireland if it legally(not physically) prevents them from going about their normal business. But now there will be no restriction from the British side.

 

[buka001]

Please remind us how long ago that was?

My site engineer left the 33rd Engineer Regiment of the British Army in 2015. He last assignment was Northern Ireland where he was defusing pipe bombs in 2014/2015, that were left in place by the New IRA.

 

[Pitbull]

Yes, it's a certainty if a hard border goes up. Keep in mind that the border literally runs through houses and many people live one side of the border and work on the other.

Kak man...

The "War" for independence from the UK is long over. The NI/RI difference is already engrained in the minds of the people of Ireland. They have had hard borders there before. And I see no issue being there again.

 

[Spizz]

There isn't going to be a hard border ever. It isn't practical as someone just said. The border runs through some houses. The main issue will be who pays who which import tariffs and taxes.

Nope, sorry, but nope. There was for many years a heavily militarised border which disappeared with the GFA and it will return to that if need be. And if it does, there will be violence, lot's of it. The different factions of the IRA, some of them still at war with the UK to this day, will unite again and soldiers will be deployed. This is not a maybe, this is a definite and as someone who studied and witnessed the situation for many years, I can say so with 100 surety.

 

[rietrot]

My site engineer left the 33rd Engineer Regiment of the British Army in 2015. He last assignment was Northern Ireland where he was defusing pipe bombs in 2014/2015, that were left in place by the New IRA.

Nobody should be trying to appease the terrorist.

 

[Spizz]

Kak man...

The "War" for independence from the UK is long over. The NI/RI difference is already engrained in the minds of the people of Ireland. They have had hard borders there before. And I see no issue being there again.

You see no issue? Can you perhaps elaborate on that? Because the people I know and I know a few incvolved in one side of this argument say completely the opposite. You are simply failing to appreciate the fragility of the situation and the deep divides that are still there today.

 

[Pitbull]

You see no issue? Can you perhaps elaborate on that? Because the people I know and I know a few incvolved in one side of this argument say completely the opposite. You are simply failing to appreciate the fragility of the situation and the deep divides that are still there today.

I foresee issues, everyone is. So what? Random morons trying to fight for a united Ireland... You always get those types, they are in the minority and will be crushed. Put the border, deal with the fall out and everyone goes on with their lives there after.

 

[Spizz]

A quick search gives this as a decent looking introduction to the problem...

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/northern-ireland-peace-process

A few snippets...

The Good Friday Agreement has dampened sectarian tensions and brought stability to Northern Ireland since 1998, but Brexit negotiations and local political paralysis are throwing the region’s hard-won gains into doubt.

But the most contentious issue is Northern Ireland’s border with the Republic of Ireland. The border, which was heavily militarized during the conflict, has since become essentially invisible, with people and goods crossing freely. The UK’s only land border, it is set to become an external EU border when the UK withdraws from the bloc.

Some observers fear that the UK’s impending departure from the EU threatens the Good Friday Agreement; they include Tony Blair, the UK prime minister who presided over the accord. Ireland’s prime minister, Leo Varadkar, echoed this point in March 2018, arguing that Brexit “threatens to drive a wedge between Britain and Ireland, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and potentially between the two communities in Northern Ireland.” Sinn Fein leaders have called Brexit “the most serious threat in the history of the peace process.”

The reimposition of a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland could cause instability in its own right. Some security officials worry that the resumption of customs checks and other border infrastructure would revive lingering tensions between communities and even provide targets for the last remaining paramilitary groups.

 

[Spizz]

I foresee issues, everyone is. So what? Random morons trying to fight for a united Ireland... You always get those types, they are in the minority and will be crushed. Put the border, deal with the fall out and everyone goes on with their lives there after.

Believe it or not, I tend to agree with you. But believe me, they won't be crushed and it will never end. Whether the return of soldiers on the streets and the hundreds of deaths every year is acceptable, is the question Johnston needs to ask himself.

 

[buka001]

Nobody should be trying to appease the terrorist.

Agreed and "No Backstop" is appeasing them and is what they want.

 

[Pitbull]

Believe it or not, I tend to agree with you. But believe me, they won't be crushed and it will never end. Whether the return of soldiers on the streets and the hundreds of deaths every year is acceptable, is the question Johnston needs to ask himself.

I too can agree with this

 

[buka001]

Current mood on my site is well captured by the front page of the Daily Mirror, which I just snapped a pic of on my way to a meeting.

Mostly people are saying let's see if Boris actions can match all his rhetoric. Most people in agreement that Boris is a joke and its going to be a good crack (UK slang) for the next few months.

And these are blue collared labourers. Everyone sees Boris for who he is. Another Etonian elitist with no concept of what everyday life in the UK is.

 

[Spizz]

Agreed and "No Backstop" is appeasing them and is what they want.

Then we have free unchecked entry for anyone and everyone into the UK, which of course is the very opposite of the point of Brexit. So this would mean potentially passport control between NI and the mainland which the loyalists would never accept, and the Tories could not offer as an alternative anyway because the DUP have been bought by them to keep them in power.

 

[rietrot]

Nope, sorry, but nope. There was for many years a heavily militarised border which disappeared with the GFA and it will return to that if need be. And if it does, there will be violence, lot's of it. The different factions of the IRA, some of them still at war with the UK to this day, will unite again and soldiers will be deployed. This is not a maybe, this is a definite and as someone who studied and witnessed the situation for many years, I can say so with 100 surety.

Let me know when someone post pics online of the British standing ready to build a Berlin style wall, then I'll panic with you.

Any terrorist attempting to target civilians with violence should just be shot. A country can't make policy to try and appease terrorist.

 

[Spizz]

Current mood on my site is well captured by the front page of the Daily Mirror, which I just snapped a pic of on my way to a meeting.

Mostly people are saying let's see if Boris actions can match all his rhetoric. Most people in agreement that Boris is a joke and its going to be a good crack (UK slang) for the next few months.

And these are blue collared labourers. Everyone sees Boris for who he is. Another Etonian elitist with no concept of what everyday life in the UK is.

Yet somehow, in myBB land it's turned into a left v right scrap which it never was or is.