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NarrowBandFtw said:
Dripping with irony there mr virtue signaller. You have yet to explain why your misinterpretation of a cartoon represents ignorance on the part of the cartoonist.

and Russian propaganda? we just throwing out random phrases here to see what sticks? this is the brexit thread no?
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The year is 1940.

Russia's invasion and annexation of half of Poland and parts of Finland is not shown.

Only Nazi Germany is shown as an aggressor.

The present day one is fraught with the fallacy that countries are worse off, drowning in tears.

So inaccurate and ignorant and white washing history, favouring a modern day Russian revisionist view.
 
buka001 said:
The year is 1940.
Russia's invasion and annexation of half of Poland and parts of Finland is not shown.
Only Nazi Germany is shown as an aggressor.
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Only Nazi Germany sought to control all of Europe, you realise this is a Europe issue right? What direct political control does Russia have over Europe today? F-all that's what.

buka001 said:
The present day one is fraught with the fallacy that countries are worse off, drowning in tears.
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There you go again, missing the point entirely ... are you doing it on purpose? Nobody, including the cartoonist, make any statement whatsoever about countries being "worse off". Those are your words and yours alone. The irony being pointed out is the country that wanted to control it all back in 1940, is now in fact controlling it all.

buka001 said:
So inaccurate and ignorant and white washing history, favouring a modern day Russian revisionist view.
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Again, only in your purposefully inaccurate interpretation of the cartoon.
 
C4Cat said:
Germany's economic success is based on many factors other than EU economic policy being geared towards German interests above everyone else. They would be a successful economy in or out of the EU. I would like examples of how EU economic policy is geared towards German interests above everyone else, as was claimed.
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You were just given an example. The money. But just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't real.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Only Nazi Germany sought to control all of Europe, you realise this is a Europe issue right? What direct political control does Russia have over Europe today? F-all that's what.


There you go again, missing the point entirely ... are you doing it on purpose? Nobody, including the cartoonist, make any statement whatsoever about countries being "worse off". Those are your words and yours alone. The irony being pointed out is the country that wanted to control it all back in 1940, is now in fact controlling it all.


Again, only in your purposefully inaccurate interpretation of the cartoon.
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So why are they crying now and shackled, but in 1940 they weren't?

And Stalin also had intentions to rule all of Europe.
 
buka001 said:
So why are they crying now and shackled, but in 1940 they weren't?

And Stalin also had intentions to rule all of Europe.
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Nobody is saying they weren't shackled in 1940, the irony is that they are still shackled in peace time.

Stalin had intentions, sure, so did Mussolini. Only Hitler made a real run for it.
 
rietrot said:
You were just given an example. The money. But just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't real.
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I didn't see any mention of EU economic policy in that example, policy that gives Germany an unfair advantage over other members. Perhaps you can explain that bit to me?

Gingerbeardman said:
Why do you think I didn't bother to engage in the first place?

Total waste of time. :sleep:
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Because you made a false assertion and are unable to back it up. Carry on sleeping then
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Nobody is saying they weren't shackled in 1940, the irony is that they are still shackled in peace time.

Stalin had intentions, sure, so did Mussolini. Only Hitler made a real run for it.
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The picture did ...

Stalin did start off as well. Finland and Poland would love to educate you about this.
 
buka001 said:
The picture did ...
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my mistake, I wasn't aware that you think being dead and having your blood spilt is better than being shackled

buka001 said:
Stalin did start off as well. Finland and Poland would love to educate you about this.
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pre-1941 Poland maybe, 1941 Poland would like a word with you about 100% Nazi only occupation
2019 Poland would like a word with you about being officially sanctioned by the EU for how they choose to deal with their own domestic press
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
my mistake, I wasn't aware that you think being dead and having your blood spilt is better than being shackled


pre-1941 Poland maybe, 1941 Poland would like a word with you about 100% Nazi only occupation
2019 Poland would like a word with you about being officially sanctioned by the EU for how they choose to deal with their own domestic press
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Do keep up. 1940 is before 1941.

Guess what happened in 1941?
 
buka001 said:
Do keep up. 1940 is before 1941.

Guess what happened in 1941?
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I'm pretty sure I just told you what happened in 1941, but hey continue to intentionally misinterpret simple cartoons and reading things that aren't there.

I'm sure it makes life more interesting, less accurate, but hey who cares.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
I'm pretty sure I just told you what happened in 1941, but hey continue to intentionally misinterpret simple cartoons and reading things that aren't there.

I'm sure it makes life more interesting, less accurate, but hey who cares.
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Ignoring glaring historical errors and stupid fallacies is your game.

And you love to play the insult game, which is understandable.
 
buka001 said:
Ignoring glaring historical errors and stupid fallacies is your game.

And you love to play the insult game, which is understandable.
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yet more irony from the virtue signalling guy who throws around baseless accusations and intentional misinterpretations

I'm sure we have sufficiently bored everyone to tears with your kindergarten "no, you are" repertoire for today, feel free to continue wailing, but I'll refrain from responding for everyone else's sake
 
buka001 said:
Ignoring glaring historical errors and stupid fallacies is your game.

And you love to play the insult game, which is understandable.
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The historical error is in no way relevant to the point of the cartoon, even if it is in fact a historical error which is not established. You pivoted from saying that the second cartoon was worse than the first because the second one had chains while ignoring the dead bodies in the first, but now you are complaining that the dead bodies don't have the exact right attribution because the cartoonist didn't include Russia in the story when Russia's part in the story is irrelevant anyway.

Just take the goddamn L dude. You got triggered, you overreacted, it's not the end of the world.
 
Gingerbeardman said:
The historical error is in no way relevant to the point of the cartoon, even if it is in fact a historical error which is not established. You pivoted from saying that the second cartoon was worse than the first because the second one had chains while ignoring the dead bodies in the first, but now you are complaining that the dead bodies don't have the exact right attribution because the cartoonist didn't include Russia in the story when Russia's part in the story is irrelevant anyway.

Just take the goddamn L dude. You got triggered, you overreacted, it's not the end of the world.
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Your standard of accepting such stuff is obviously sub-standard.

If the cartoonist couldn't be bothered to depict an accurate representation of a situation on which he bases his point, then his point is founded on a false premises, thus his point is predicated on a fallacy.

Yes countries are dead, but more countries in the 2016 picture are shown to be suffering tham in 1940. That is the fallacy.

Even then the 1940 picture contains further historical inaccuracies further detracting the point he tried to make. Russia, at the time of 1940 was as a co-belligerent, having annexed parts of other countries and in fact allied with Germany. That is not shown, showing just how badly depicted the picture is.

If he wants to draw the comparison, at least use some historical fact.
 
buka001 said:
If the cartoonist couldn't be bothered to depict an accurate representation of a situation on which he bases his point, then his point is founded on a false premises, thus his point is predicated on a fallacy.
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It's not inaccurate, it is merely an omission which you don't like. You didn't explain how the omission materially changes the point. Instead you went on a whataboutism trip. Yawn.

Yes countries are dead, but more countries in the 2016 picture are shown to be suffering that 1940. That is the fallacy.
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The countries in chains are PIIGS, true/false

Even then the 1940 picture contains further historical inaccuracies further detracting the point he tried to make. Russia, at the to e of 1940 was as a co-belligerent, having annexed parts of other countries and in fact allied with Germany. That is not shown, showing just how badly depicted the picture is.

If he wants to draw the comparison, at least use some historical fact.
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No, sorry, an omission does not equate to an inaccuracy, especially not when a cartoonist is making a goddamn point via humour, and the extra detail does nothing to help clarify the goddamn joke.

But you know, so long as you wanna keep digging, I'll be right here to help you on your way to hell. :laugh:
 
Gingerbeardman said:
It's not inaccurate, it is merely an omission which you don't like. You didn't explain how the omission materially changes the point. Instead you went on a whataboutism trip. Yawn.


The countries in chains are PIIGS, true/false


No, sorry, an omission does not equate to an inaccuracy, especially not when a cartoonist is making a goddamn point via humour, and the extra detail does nothing to help clarify the goddamn joke.

But you know, so long as you wanna keep digging, I'll be right here to help you on your way to hell.
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I saw Xarog today.

Eveyone was getting shot, there was blood everywhere. Many people died.

Xarog was doing alot of the shooting.

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I omitted the fact that you were doing the shooting with a camera.

Accurate or inaccurate description?
 
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