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Chris_the_Brit said:
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So the illiberal anti-Democrats have even given up on the 2nd referendum idea. Let's hope the British ideal of "fair play" results in their vote share going backwards. What a disgusting party. Some vulnerable Tories in the south west (an area that used to be a Lib Dem stronghold of sorts) must be relieved. There are many people like Piers Morgan out there who voted remain but feel vote must be respected.
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Lies. Nobody is working to frustrate Brexit. @Dave said so. :ROFL:
 
Am curious, for all the people defining what is or is not a proper Brexit, how do you get to that being the "will of the people" from the very simple question in the referendum? If leaving the EU under, for example, May's deal, why does that not satisfy the will of the people as answered in the referendum? Or is it just that it doesn't satisfy conservative politicians view of what Brexit should be (something they where very shy about defining before the referendum)?
 
Cray said:
Am curious, for all the people defining what is or is not a proper Brexit, how do you get to that being the "will of the people" from the very simple question in the referendum? If leaving the EU under, for example, May's deal, why does that not satisfy the will of the people as answered in the referendum? Or is it just that it doesn't satisfy conservative politicians view of what Brexit should be (something they where very shy about defining before the referendum)?
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May's deal substantively frustrated the UK's ability to self-govern even when outside of the EU and was filled with all sorts of sunset clauses that could easily be twisted into a long-term subservience to EU policies with zero say in the formulation of those policies.

And like I keep saying, after what happened wrt the EU and Ukraine/Greece, such an arrangement is definitely not in the interests of the British people, and almost certainly not what the people voting for Brexit had in mind.
 
Gingerbeardman said:
May's deal substantively frustrated the UK's ability to self-govern even when outside of the EU and was filled with all sorts of sunset clauses that could easily be twisted into a long-term subservience to EU policies with zero say in the formulation of those policies.

And like I keep saying, after what happened wrt the EU and Ukraine/Greece, such an arrangement is definitely not in the interests of the British people, and almost certainly not what the people voting for Brexit had in mind.
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Do you not understand that May's deal was only a WITHDRAWAL deal? Not permanent.

May's deal would only be in effect while we are negotiating a permanent deal. Honestly I think a lot of people don't understand this.
 
Came across This:
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konfab said:
Leaving means you actually leave. It doesn't mean delay the process for as long as possible because it might upset the holiday plans of rich bankers.
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This is quite funny actually how the remainers want to protect the holiday plans of the 1% when that same group is normally very against the rich.
 
Gingerbeardman said:
May's deal substantively frustrated the UK's ability to self-govern even when outside of the EU and was filled with all sorts of sunset clauses that could easily be twisted into a long-term subservience to EU policies with zero say in the formulation of those policies.

And like I keep saying, after what happened wrt the EU and Ukraine/Greece, such an arrangement is definitely not in the interests of the British people, and almost certainly not what the people voting for Brexit had in mind.
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That is the whole problem, no one actually knew what Brexit was when voting because no one in government bothered to do any actual planning and education on it before hand... You make the claim that it wasn't what they had in mind but there really was no overriding consensus on what leave voters had in mind - it's across the spectrum.
 
Pitbull said:
Leaving without one too?

Want to do this all day?
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So how can you know what the will of the people actually is/was? Surely a more specific referendum is needed or this deal/no deal is just conjecture?
 
Cray said:
So how can you know what the will of the people actually is/was? Surely a more specific referendum is needed or this deal/no deal is just conjecture?
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Yes I do. They want to leave the EU. Remoaners can play semantics all they want since they lost the vote and try and clutch at straws now that someone is actually trying their best to enforce the will of the people (LEAVING THE EU, deal or not deal)
 
Cray said:
That is the whole problem, no one actually knew what Brexit was when voting because no one in government bothered to do any actual planning and education on it before hand... You make the claim that it wasn't what they had in mind but there really was no overriding consensus on what leave voters had in mind - it's across the spectrum.
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Yes, let's have the "End-apartheid" referendum again since we now know what it meant...

You see how idiotic that is?
 
Cray said:
That is the whole problem, no one actually knew what Brexit was when voting because no one in government bothered to do any actual planning and education on it before hand... You make the claim that it wasn't what they had in mind but there really was no overriding consensus on what leave voters had in mind - it's across the spectrum.
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You can apply that logic to any public vote.

I would wager the average SA voter knows f__kall about the ANC and their economically damaging policies.


The 1975 EU referendum said this:
Do you think the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum

It didn't say anything about being forced to accept millions of third world migrants.
 
Cray said:
That is the whole problem, no one actually knew what Brexit was when voting because no one in government bothered to do any actual planning and education on it before hand... You make the claim that it wasn't what they had in mind but there really was no overriding consensus on what leave voters had in mind - it's across the spectrum.
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Sure, I can agree that this part of the referendum was irresponsible, but then we can blame that on Porky Pig's (Cameron's) hubris, since he thought remain was a sure thing.

I'm just saying that the leave has to be authentic, that's all.
 
Pitbull said:
Yes, let's have the "End-apartheid" referendum again since we now know what it meant...

You see how idiotic that is?
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Is see how idiotic your reasoning is yes, because of the terms of the South African referendum was actually far more intelligently thought out than Brexit referendum question was...

"Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on 2 February 1990 and which is aimed at a new Constitution through negotiation? "
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Theresa May's deal would still have satisfied the question asked by the referendum, just because you don't quite like it you state the this is not what the British people actually wanted... (when clearly most British people don't know quite what they wanted from Brexit either).
 
Pitbull said:
Yes I do. They want to leave the EU. Remoaners can play semantics all they want since they lost the vote and try and clutch at straws now that someone is actually trying their best to enforce the will of the people (LEAVING THE EU, deal or not deal)
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So you would have been happy to accept Theresa May's deal on leaving as fulfilling the terms of Brexit as stated in the referendum?
 
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