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Going on personal experience (figured that was the norm at this stage). I've waited 4 weeks, 12 weeks, and 6 months (though that was about 13 years ago, and that was 2x 3 month waiting periods because I saw a GP in January, was referred to and saw a specialist in March, who then referred me to another specialist who I saw in June). Strangely, it was only fully resolved when I saw a specialist back in SA, who took care of it the same day.

I've had much shorter waiting recently, but that's probably only because I have a heart issue now.

Wasn't even aware of a max waiting time tbh, so cheers for that.
 
Don't remember the exact odds, but putting a tenner on an acca of Trump winning, Leave winning and Leicester winning the EPL would've made you a millionaire.

Long odds in the UK were permanently slashed after Leicester won: hundreds, if not thousands, cashed in on 5000/1. Bookies got raped, and lost millions. They're never going to take that kind of hit ever again. I doubt you'll even see many 50/1 odds for political bets, either.
After Brexit I put money on Trump winning.

Won enough to fund our Christmas holiday back then.
 
The problem is that its hard to come up with any argument in favour of privatised health services other than on ideological grounds.

In the case of a government severely mismanaging funds, it becomes quite easy to come up with an argument for privatised health care.
 
In the case of a government severely mismanaging funds, it becomes quite easy to come up with an argument for privatised health care.

Not really, though. Mismanaging of funds is something that happens in private medical care, too. And the extortionary rates they charge and amount of people they force into bankruptcy is a good argument against them, too.

This is an eye-opening read.

 
Mismanaging of funds is something that happens in private medical care, too
Only because government still meddles, US healthcare is the furthest thing from private when you have Obamacare / Medicare / Medicaid around pumping billions into the system. Free market dynamics do not apply when you tip the scales like that.
 

Nigel and Borris letting their egos get in the way, splitting the vote and giving labour and libdems a win.
 
Not really, though. Mismanaging of funds is something that happens in private medical care, too. And the extortionary rates they charge and amount of people they force into bankruptcy is a good argument against them, too.

This is an eye-opening read.


Yes really though. In South Africa you cant compare the mismanagement of funds for private medical to public, as public is vastly more. The fact is public medical simply doesn't work in countries with high levels of corruption and no accountability for those in government.

All you end up achieving is zero decent health care for the entire country rather than decent health care for at least the minority. Not to mention the enriching of government ministers.
 
Yes really though. In South Africa you cant compare the mismanagement of funds for private medical to public, as public is vastly more. The fact is public medical simply doesn't work in countries with high levels of corruption and no accountability for those in government.

All you end up achieving is zero decent health care for the entire country rather than decent health care for at least the minority. Not to mention the enriching of government ministers.
Added to the fact that the vast majority of the population doesn't pay the tax needed to fund public healthcare in the first place. And what revenue there is, just mysteriously disappears over time.
 
Not really, though. Mismanaging of funds is something that happens in private medical care, too. And the extortionary rates they charge and amount of people they force into bankruptcy is a good argument against them, too.

This is an eye-opening read.

This.

Every "sin" committed in public provision is amplified many fold in private because of simply economic incentives.

The incentive changes to maximizing profit instead of maximizing health.
 

I've posted it somewhere else, but there's more Brexit talk, so I figure it's really relevant here.

Sargon interview Piers Corbyn, brother of Jeremy Corbyn.
 
Eish, didn't think it was possible for Rees-Mogg to be an even bigger tool than he already was...

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...g-claims-grenfell-victims-lacked-common-sense

Ah, the usual Leftie faux outrage machine in motion against someone they just love to target. Of course close examination of what he actually said was perfectly sensible. He was following on from the report. Sorry if common sense is in short supply these days amongst the Left.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is right about Grenfell

Let me get this right: people are angrier with Jacob Rees-Mogg for saying the Grenfell residents should have fled their burning building than they are with the fire chiefs who told the Grenfell residents not to flee their burning building? I’ve heard it all now. There have been some mad Twitterstorms over the years but this is a new low. This fury with an MP for merely saying what we all know to be true – that it is a ‘tragedy’ more people didn’t ignore the fire service’s advice on that horrific night – is just nuts.

This is the news that JRM, Tory MP and favoured punchbag of the anti-Tory middle classes, has said something about the Grenfell fire of 2017 in which 72 people died. You’d never know it from the media storm, but what he said, on the radio this morning, was eminently sensible. He said he has read the first report of the Grenfell Inquiry, which was published last week, and has concluded that ‘the chances of people surviving’ the fire in Grenfell would have increased if they had ignored the fire service’s advice to ‘stay put’. He says that if he had been in that burning building, he would have left. ‘It just seems the common-sense thing to do. And it is such a tragedy that that didn’t happen’, he said.

That’s it. He was simply echoing the actual contents of the Grenfell report, which starkly says that fire chiefs’ ‘stay put’ policy proved disastrous for the Grenfell residents. The report said the London Fire Brigade’s ‘stay put’ policy prevented some families from escaping. It argues that fewer people would have died if the LFB had changed its strategy and adopted different methods earlier on during the fire. JRM is reiterating these facts. And yet people are angrier with him than they were with the LFB last week when the Grenfell report devastatingly called into question its ‘stay put’ approach to the Grenfell horror.
 
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Ah, the usual Leftie faux outrage machine in motion against someone they just love to target. Of course close examination of what he actually said was perfectly sensible. He was following on from the report. Sorry if common sense is in short supply these days amongst the Left.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is right about Grenfell
The report says LFB's policy was wrong.

Mogg basically says that people were stupid to listen to the instructions they were given

People are already outraged at the LFB and the contractor who was responsible

Now they are also outraged at Posh Spice going about blaming the victims.

You can be outraged at 2 different issues, it's entirely possible for humans to manage that, I thought you knew, as you seem to get outraged quite often for different issues.
 
The report says LFB's policy was wrong.

Mogg basically says that people were stupid to listen to the instructions they were given

People are already outraged at the LFB and the contractor who was responsible

Now they are also outraged at Posh Spice going about blaming the victims.

You can be outraged at 2 different issues, it's entirely possible for humans to manage that, I thought you knew, as you seem to get outraged quite often for different issues.

You seem to think Chris is thinking these things out. He found this opinion from some naazi web site that says Rees- Mogg was right.
 
The report says LFB's policy was wrong.

Mogg basically says that people were stupid to listen to the instructions they were given

People are already outraged at the LFB and the contractor who was responsible

Now they are also outraged at Posh Spice going about blaming the victims.

You can be outraged at 2 different issues, it's entirely possible for humans to manage that, I thought you knew, as you seem to get outraged quite often for different issues.

When there is a fire in the building, does it really make sense to stay put? JRM's position would have evidently saved lives. He was simply making an eminently sensible conclusion based on the report.

And it's impossible to divorce this "outrage" from the general election context where Labour, like they always do, attempt to paint Tories as out of touch (nevermind the fact that the aspirant working class are swinging strongly behind the Tories while the posh middle class are swinging strongly behind Labour)
 
You seem to think Chris is thinking these things out. He found this opinion from some naazi web site that says Rees- Mogg was right.

Says the guy who admits he is institutionally anti Tory , was or is a current SNP member and gets on every anti-Tory bandwagon. No self-reflection whatsoever. :laugh:

Nazi website? Lol. As usual your ignorance is staggering. Stick to building stuff in random parts of the world, that is clearly where your expertise lies.
 
When there is a fire in the building, does it really make sense to stay put? JRM's position would have evidently saved lives. He was simply making an eminently sensible conclusion based on the report.

Depends on the the fire size, and the exit paths available. Depends on a lot of factors, actually. Which the fire department was aware of.

He was being a total dick. And you're defending him. Makes sense

And it's impossible to divorce this "outrage" from the general election context where Labour, like they always do, attempt to paint Tories as out of touch (nevermind the fact that the aspirant working class are swinging strongly behind the Tories while the posh middle class are swinging strongly behind Labour)

It's impossible for you to divorce this outrage from the election. Because that's all you seem care about. Other people have bigger concerns.

The aspirant working class has been conned. The Tories have totally ****ed up the NHS on their own. Now they want to "fix" it?

The middle class is not posh, they are better informed. It's your heroes like Mogg and Boris that are posh.
 
Says the guy who admits he is institutionally anti Tory , was or is a current SNP member and gets on every anti-Tory bandwagon. No self-reflection whatsoever.

Nazi website? Lol. As usual your ignorance is staggering. Stick to building stuff in random parts of the world, that is clearly where your expertise lies.
Self reflection. Chris, really? Do you even know what that means?

Let me get this right: people are angrier with Jacob Rees-Mogg for saying the Grenfell residents should have fled their burning building than they are with the fire chiefs who told the Grenfell residents not to flee their burning building?

All you have to do is read the first paragraph, and you know this guy is full of schit. Did he do some sort of quantitive analysis on anger levels, or is he just decided that.
 
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