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Chris_the_Brit said:
Ah, the usual Leftie faux outrage machine in motion against someone they just love to target. Of course close examination of what he actually said was perfectly sensible. He was following on from the report. Sorry if common sense is in short supply these days amongst the Left.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is right about Grenfell
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Nah that's horse ****, he was saying that ignoring advice from the fire department was common sense.. It's all good having perfect advice after the fact, we all know now that the advice from the London fire department was wrong, it's the idea that people who listened to experts at the time where somehow lacking in common sense is what makes it so stupid.. . Criticizing the actions of people in a disaster, people who where listening to experts - is dispicable. Especially coming from a twat who has probably never set foot in a tower like Grenfell.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Ah, the usual Leftie faux outrage machine in motion against someone they just love to target. Of course close examination of what he actually said was perfectly sensible. He was following on from the report. Sorry if common sense is in short supply these days amongst the Left.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is right about Grenfell
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Futher to this, if you feel people are being unfair to your hero, please highlight the life threatening situations from Rees-Moggs life history, where he heroically went against experts advice and saved himself from certain death due to his own innate intellect...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

Surely a man making judgements about the actions of other people in dangerous situations must have personal experience of something similar?
 
Cray said:
Futher to this, if you feel people are being unfair to your hero, please highlight the life threatening situations from Rees-Moggs life history, where he heroically went against experts advice and saved himself from certain death due to his own innate intellect...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Rees-Mogg

Surely a man making judgements about the actions of other people in dangerous situations must have personal experience of something similar?
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He has a nanny to look after him and prevent those dangerous instances...
 
The Voice said:
Don't agree with his delivery or the fact that he even brought it up (4Head) - he's a total twat - but being a London resident I can vouch for the fact that it's completely obsessed with fire regulations - it burnt down twice, after all. Which makes the Grenfell disaster even more depressing.

First rule that gets drilled into your head during fire safety is GTFO. Don't try gather your belongings, don't be a hero, just leave immediately. The fact that the LFB actually told people to stay in the building still defies comprehension.
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If you're higher up in the building and you know you must get out but you don't know what's happening below you, or how easy or difficult it will be to get to the ground floor, leaving your flat to go down into possibly the worst part of the fire below, might kill you. Then the fire department tells you to stay put because they obviously know the situation, so you listen to them. Are you really going to go running off to find an exit in a burning building, through smoke and flames, against the advice of the fire department. In hindsight, yes, at the time, unlikely. That goes for Rees-Mogg too. Common sense says to do what the experts advise.
 
Comrade Boris Johnski seems to have lots of Russian admirers.

A new investigation reveals that UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservative Party has received a surge in cash from Russian donors over the past year, news that comes as his government continues to block publication of a report into Russian influence over recent elections.

An OpenDemocracy investigation found that the UK Conservative Party received at least £498,850, or about $642,000, from Russian business executives and their associates between November 2018 and last month.

This was a significant increase from the previous year, when such donations amounted to less than £350,000.

The increase came despite increased pressure on the party to cut its ties to Russian oligarchs since the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury last year.

The news also comes with Johnson's chief strategist, Dominic Cummings, under the spotlight after the Sunday Times reported claims from a whistleblower about "serious concerns" about the time he spent in Russia in the 1990s.
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www.businessinsider.com

Boris Johnson's Conservative Party has received a surge in cash from Russian donors

Russian business executives and their associates donated nearly half a million pounds to the Conservatives over the past year.
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Dave said:
Brendan O'Neill is a hardline Brextremist nutter, it's no wonder Chris loves his writing.
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Yes, I know, but he's also left wing. O'Neill considers himself to be a Marxist. Shock horror!

So strictly speaking he should hate him regardless of his views on the EU or leaving. Does that mean he'd love Corbyn if he was openly in favour of leaving the EU?
 
The Corbynite Left in complete meltdown this morning. Their deputy leader is standing down and now a Labour MP is telling people to vote for Boris. Lekker.

Ian Austin: patriotic Labour voters should back Boris Johnson

I think he’s spent his entire time in politics working with and defending all sorts of people: extremists and in some cases anti-Semites and terrorists… I think in the end: I don’t think he’s a patriot. I don’t think he loves his country. I think he always picks our country’s enemies, whether that’s the IRA during the Troubles or describing Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends or parroting Putin’s propaganda when the Russians send hitmen to murder people on the streets of Britain. But most shamefully of all, for a party that’s got a proud record of fighting for equality and opposing racism, the Labour Party has been poisoned with anti-Jewish racism under his leadership. And it is a complete and utter disgrace. It is a complete disgrace.

But look, of course, I’m not a Tory. This isn’t where I want to be. I just think that, I wouldn’t say Boris Johnson is unfit to be our prime minister in the way that I say that about Jeremy Corbyn. I think the country’s got a big choice to make. And I think Jeremy Corbyn is completely unfit to lead it.
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Cray said:
Nah that's horse ****, he was saying that ignoring advice from the fire department was common sense.. It's all good having perfect advice after the fact, we all know now that the advice from the London fire department was wrong, it's the idea that people who listened to experts at the time where somehow lacking in common sense is what makes it so stupid.. . Criticizing the actions of people in a disaster, people who where listening to experts - is dispicable. Especially coming from a twat who has probably never set foot in a tower like Grenfell.
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I am probably actually one of the few in this thread who actually listened to the interview, not relying on the media, which is often pushing an agenda. He actually does not victim blame...he just says that's what he'd do in that situation.

Yes, most people aspire to something more than a council estate unless you came from nothing. Politics of envy is rather unpleasant.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
I am probably actually one of the few in this thread who actually listened to the interview, not relying on the media, which is often pushing an agenda. He actually does not victim blame...he just says that's what he'd do in that situation.

Yes, most people aspire to something more than a council estate unless you came from nothing. Politics of envy is rather unpleasant.
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He would have run down into the fire against the advice of the fire department? Ok...
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
I am probably actually one of the few in this thread who actually listened to the interview, not relying on the media, which is often pushing an agenda. He actually does not victim blame...he just says that's what he'd do in that situation.

Yes, most people aspire to something more than a council estate unless you came from nothing. Politics of envy is rather unpleasant.
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I can guarantee you thats not what he would have done in that situation. He would have listened to the fire department and stayed put.
 
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