The Brexit Thread

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Spizz said:
Haha. Are you still believing that lie? Fanboys are gonna fanboy I guess.

And for the record, I’d be still on the fence about independence because I like the union and believe it could still be relevant and worthwhile. The English, Welsh and people of NI are like kin folk to me and I hold them in the highest regard. But the price to pay of having to put up with the Tories never being held to account for their lies and thieving is too much I reckon.
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It's not a "lie" as you put it. There's plenty of examples on the internet of anti-English sentiment in Scotland: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/activists-hold-banner-saying-england-get-out-scotland-border-during-protest-2921243

Also ex-SNP leader: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...cises-salmond-fanning-anti-english-sentiment/

And yes, even though Scotland has a very different political undercurrent to the rest of the UK (in fact it'd be beneficial to the Tories if Scotland became independent), I'd definitely support the union being kept together.
 
Vorastra said:
My comment is clearly a joke lmao
Come on....

I'm paraphrasing your bloodlust for impending military loss...obviously.
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You where the one who brought up war and revolution, please quote my specific words where I mentioned violence as a means to achieve independence..

Not recognizing legalities can be done through b civil disobedience..

But also, you fail to realize that most people in the UK would most likely not force Scotland to remain if the majority of Scots wanted to leave.
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
It's not a "lie" as you put it. There's plenty of examples on the internet of anti-English sentiment in Scotland: https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/activists-hold-banner-saying-england-get-out-scotland-border-during-protest-2921243

Also ex-SNP leader: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...cises-salmond-fanning-anti-english-sentiment/

And yes, even though Scotland has a very different political undercurrent to the rest of the UK (in fact it'd be beneficial to the Tories if Scotland became independent), I'd definitely support the union being kept together.
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Apart from not really understanding why you give a schit because it’s got absolutely nothing to do with you, if that truly was the case, why are the Tories fighting tooth and nail to keep Scotland on board?
 
Spizz said:
The legislation is there in black and white. The power is with Westminster. That can’t be argued.

Everything else can though. Including the moral aspect of blocking self determination against the will of the people.
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Feels instead of reals again.
Let's play feels then, Scotland deserves no such freedom.
Why? Because. That's why.

Spizz said:
Dickheads. Well and truly ridiculed and lampooned by pretty much everyone in Scotland. Every country has the same percentage of nutters at both ends of the political spectrum.
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Ian Blackford is even an anti-English POS. Literally Scottish representation in Westminster dislikes the English.

The SNP is built on the dislike of the English lmao.
 
Spizz said:
The legislation is there in black and white. The power is with Westminster. That can’t be argued.

Everything else can though. Including the moral aspect of blocking self determination against the will of the people.
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So much this, if it's clear that majority of Scots want to leave, how does a Westminister government convince the rest of the UK that forcing them to remain is the moral course of action?
 
Cray said:
You where the one who brought up war and revolution, please quote my specific words where I mentioned violence as a means to achieve independence dance..

Not recognizing legalities can be done through b civil disobedience..
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It's rebellion then.

Cray said:
But also, you fail to realize that most people in the UK would most likely not force Scotland to remain if the majority of Scots wanted to leave.
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You know this.

Am sure there was a whole lot of UK legislation that said that the Republic of Ireland could never happen... Laws don't really apply if the majority refuse to recognize their validity.
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Explain the implications of this sentence.
 
Vorastra said:
Explain the implications of this sentence.
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That was one example where the will of the people didn't agree with legality, that was also 100 years ago, I was just making a point that legality doesn't always win against what people want.
 
Cray said:
So much this, if it's clear that majority of Scots want to leave, how does a Westminister government convince the rest of the UK that forcing them to remain is the moral course of action?
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What happens if the next referendum shows that Scots want to stay?
I know. Let's vote again, and again, and again, and again every few years until you get the result you want.
How very EU of you.

Remember when the 2014 referendum was once in a lifetime, who'd have thought a lifetime was less than 10 years.
 
Cray said:
That was one example where the will of the people didn't agree with legality, that was also 100 years ago, I was just making a point that legality doesn't always win against what people want.
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Your point was open rebellion.

You where the one who brought up war and revolution, please quote my specific words where I mentioned violence as a means to achieve independence..
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:rolleyes:
 
Spizz said:
Apart from not really understanding why you give a schit because it’s got absolutely nothing to do with you, if that truly was the case, why are the Tories fighting tooth and nail to keep Scotland on board?
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The clue is in the name:

"The Conservative Party, officially the Conservative and Unionist Party". But I do agree, the benefits of unionism need to be articulated more clearly (I can't think of a powerful one off the top of my head TBH). The vaccine roll-out could be an advertisement for the benefits of unionism. I guess the biggest disadvantage of independence is that it'd create lots of friction between England/Wales/NI and Scotland (e.g. as it stands currently: no internal tariffs, unlimited access to the whole UK labour market etc)
 
Vorastra said:
What happens if the next referendum shows that Scots want to stay?
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Brexit is a fundamental change in the way the UK interacts with the rest of the world, it clearly reframes the argument, especially since the majority of Scottish people wanted to remain in the EU.
 
Vorastra said:
Feels instead of reals again.
Let's play feels then, Scotland deserves no such freedom.
Why? Because. That's why.


Ian Blackford is even an anti-English POS. Literally Scottish representation in Westminster dislikes the English.

The SNP is built on the dislike of the English lmao.
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Feels instead of reals? Sure. I’m Scottish. Why not.

But sure, there may be some misguided Scots who dislike the English, but it’s a small number of people. As I said earlier, the English are like brothers to me and I’m very fond of the people and the place.

Most of my friends are pro union, but still, I don’t know anyone who “hates” the English, even the one friend who is an SNP councillor.
 
Cray said:
Brexit is a fundamental change in the way the UK interacts with the rest of the world, it clearly reframes the argument, especially since the majority of Scottish people wanted to remain in the EU.
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What did Brexit and IndieRef have to do with each?
Oh, just an excuse to hold another ref.
 
Vorastra said:
What happens if the next referendum shows that Scots want to stay?
I know. Let's vote again, and again, and again, and again every few years until you get the result you want.
How very EU of you.

Remember when the 2014 referendum was once in a lifetime, who'd have thought a lifetime was less than 10 years.
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You do know how democracy works, right?
 
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