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LoneGunman
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Geez, I go away for a day and suddenly a thread for interesting signs (to me) of possible fake terror, gets turned into a bagel throwing match 
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INTERESTING ARTICLE ON FINAL SPEECH BY KURT VONNEGUT
Nice quote from a recent speech by Kurt Vonnegut. (If you don't know who he is, or read his books, that's your loss. He's a great writer, and one of the last serious literary intellects still shouting for political/social sanity in the US.)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0305-27.htm
“I just want to say that George W. Bush is the syphilis president.”
The students seem to agree.
“The only difference between Bush and Hitler,” Vonnegut adds, “is that Hitler was elected.”
“You all know, of course, that the election was stolen. Right here.”
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INTERESTING ARTICLE ON FINAL SPEECH BY KURT VONNEGUT
Nice quote from a recent speech by Kurt Vonnegut. (If you don't know who he is, or read his books, that's your loss. He's a great writer, and one of the last serious literary intellects still shouting for political/social sanity in the US.)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0305-27.htm
“I just want to say that George W. Bush is the syphilis president.”
The students seem to agree.
“The only difference between Bush and Hitler,” Vonnegut adds, “is that Hitler was elected.”
“You all know, of course, that the election was stolen. Right here.”
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Gunny
Expert Member
Did ne1 mention that not to long ago Iran re opened a uranium enrichment plant ......
It was all over the news
It was all over the news
LoneGunman
Expert Member
MEET YOUR FUTURE
The Most Powerful Weapon In The World: Strategic Communication Laboratories and the war for your mind
"In a world where the perception is the reality, all countries need to have the capability to manage their own perceptual alignment – otherwise someone else will. We live in a global village, which is reliant on communication and perception. Every country needs the tools to be part of that game."
A direct quote from the website of Strategic Communication Laboratories, http://www.scl.cc/home.php a London based company that offers "the most powerful weapon in the world", the ability to manage every aspect of a conflict from one operation centre.
Take a look around their website and witness sickening quote after quote explaining how their vision is to allow the total control of citizens by their government or their military, to keep it that way, and to facilitate conflicts with and the takeover of other countries and the execution of total control over their citizens.
The idea put across by SCL is that if you can control the perceptions people have of reality, then you can control reality itself.
As the world moves further away from the 20th century concept of the Cold War, it becomes increasingly clear that the very nature of warfare itself has changed. The old style conflicts were about overpowering the enemy and winning ground. The new wars are about ideas, belief systems and ideologies. The battle is no longer about winning territory; it is about winning minds.
George Orwell was right on the money when he envisaged the coming 21st century as a battle based on the PERCEPTION of reality. in 1984, his classic warning to the world, Orwell told us that we would have to face this threat:
The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'.
- George Orwell, 1984, Chapter 3 (1948)
SCL's vision is no different from the constructed artificial reality designed to house the minds of the human race portrayed in the feature film The Matrix. If you present all the people with a fabricated collective illusion of reality, and enough meaningless distractions, they may stop questioning that reality when things don't seem to add up.
Formed in 1993, SCL's customers include NGOs, police departments, military forces, municipal authorities, and the UN. According to the website, funding for SCL has been provided by a number of "private high net worth individuals" all based in the UK.
The company has invested nearly $20 million into research at what they call the Behavioural Dynamics Institute (BDi), the world’s leading authority on persuasion, communication psychology and public diplomacy. Given that they are the "World's leaders" it is strange that they do not have a website.
SCL is about selling to the military and Governments, or those that wish to control the military and the Government, the tools that they need to fight and the win the information war for people's minds.
Within its OpCentres are all the tools needed to initiate an elite full spectrum police state takeover - reality control. The SCL website makes the following chilling statement:
The last 5 years have seen a flurry of Homeland Security scenarios enacted and re-enacted on the streets of our cities. What if there is a biological attack, or the detonation of multiple explosive devices?
However, a major flaw has emerged in many of the scenarios - the unmanageability of civilians. They do not behave as they are supposed to. When a virus hits a city, civilians do not line up for vaccination: they run for the hills. When terrorists are looking for a target, it is the predictability of civilian behaviour that makes the terrorists' job easier. What if there was a way to control civilian behaviour when it counts? Imagine the benefits of having civilians as cooperating partners.
Strategic Communication makes the people part of the solution, not part of the problem.
But how do the so-called OpCentres provide the ability to do this? Well according to SCL:
An Opcentre puts influence, control and power back into the hands of the government and military, giving them greater power to influence the enemy in time of conflict and enhanced access to their citizens during a crisis. For instance, an Opcentre can be designed to override all national radio and TV broadcasts, allowing the government and military to communicate with the public as the need arises.
The OpCentres allow for powerful PSYOP campaigns to be conducted, which can engender support within the national community for proposed military action or more bone chillingly, "develop national resilience and behavioural compliance for homeland security issues".
They also allow for the takeover and control of Financial markets, health ministries, and foreign affairs.
Modules within the Opcentres can range from "Word-of Mouth Units" to "Cultural Alignment Units" and previous projects SCL have undertaken for clients include to "Design and develop a permanent military strategic communication
facility capable of delivering strategic and operational psyop campaigns for a South Asian country." and to "Design, build and install a Homeland Security Centre for an Asian country. The Opcentre can override all national radio and TV broadcasts in time of crisis."
Internal security issues are covered too, with the ability within the OpCentre to quell public unrest, manage large crowds or riot situations, prevent insurgency and other such public affairs crises under the umbrella of a "counter-terrorism programme."
"Almost every country suffers from some problematic faction within its citizens. These disaffected groups may be driven by religious fervour, self-importance or just greed. In all cases, their ability to operate and recruit new members depends on the perceptual environment and the levels of tolerance of the state and its citizens. SCL specialises in producing solutions for governments so that they can significantly increase their control and management of disaffected groups as part of a wider counter-terrorism programme."
According to SCL, although it offers solutions for all departments of government, it "makes sense" to give total control of of their installations to the Head of State because other ministers of government may be "over zealous" or may not share the same vision.
Perhaps there may be some ministers who are not hell bent on destroying the freedoms of everyone and perpetuating endless psy-war on people and nations all over the planet? hmmm? Perhaps?
This is the future of the globalist police state takeover, they have the infrastructure in place, they have the ability to initiate the takeover NOW. However, they recognise that perception is everything and we are engaged within an INFOWAR.
They could not takeover tomorrow because not enough people would believe the perception of reality that they are transmitting. Currently we are in the majority, they still have a long way to go before their PSYOPS campaigns and "word of mouth units" can do an effective enough job.
Of course the main task currently assigned to the "Cultural Alignment Unit" is to create the perception that we are the minority, and that anyone who is not with the Government is with the "disaffected groups" more widely referred to as "the terrorists"
We are holding them off by spreading the truth and defending our freedoms in our own peaceful revolution of information. It is our reality that is at stake, they want to control our reality with conflict and disharmony and therefore they must continue to create the perception that that is the way the world is.
As SCL puts it on their own website:
We live in a world of communication, where perception is very often the reality. Those individuals that control the perceptions are the ones that control virtually everything. Most modern conflicts are based on misaligned perceptions, ideologies, opinions about religion, etc. If a government does not have the tools to manage the perceptions which effect security, defence, finance, tourism, health and foreign relations, then it may well find itself at the mercy of those that do.
We respond with the words of Orwell in 1984:
Being a minority, even a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad. The obvious, the silly, and the true had to be defended. Truisms are true, hold on to that! The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall towards the earth's centre. With the feeling that he was speaking directly to O'Brien, and also that he was setting forth an important axiom, Winston wrote:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
The Most Powerful Weapon In The World: Strategic Communication Laboratories and the war for your mind
"In a world where the perception is the reality, all countries need to have the capability to manage their own perceptual alignment – otherwise someone else will. We live in a global village, which is reliant on communication and perception. Every country needs the tools to be part of that game."
A direct quote from the website of Strategic Communication Laboratories, http://www.scl.cc/home.php a London based company that offers "the most powerful weapon in the world", the ability to manage every aspect of a conflict from one operation centre.
Take a look around their website and witness sickening quote after quote explaining how their vision is to allow the total control of citizens by their government or their military, to keep it that way, and to facilitate conflicts with and the takeover of other countries and the execution of total control over their citizens.
The idea put across by SCL is that if you can control the perceptions people have of reality, then you can control reality itself.
As the world moves further away from the 20th century concept of the Cold War, it becomes increasingly clear that the very nature of warfare itself has changed. The old style conflicts were about overpowering the enemy and winning ground. The new wars are about ideas, belief systems and ideologies. The battle is no longer about winning territory; it is about winning minds.
George Orwell was right on the money when he envisaged the coming 21st century as a battle based on the PERCEPTION of reality. in 1984, his classic warning to the world, Orwell told us that we would have to face this threat:
The Party said that Oceania had never been in alliance with Eurasia. He, Winston Smith, knew that Oceania had been in alliance with Eurasia as short a time as four years ago. But where did that knowledge exist? Only in his own consciousness, which in any case must soon be annihilated. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed -if all records told the same tale -- then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past,' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' And yet the past, though of its nature alterable, never had been altered. Whatever was true now was true from everlasting to everlasting. It was quite simple. All that was needed was an unending series of victories over your own memory. 'Reality control', they called it: in Newspeak, 'doublethink'.
- George Orwell, 1984, Chapter 3 (1948)
SCL's vision is no different from the constructed artificial reality designed to house the minds of the human race portrayed in the feature film The Matrix. If you present all the people with a fabricated collective illusion of reality, and enough meaningless distractions, they may stop questioning that reality when things don't seem to add up.
Formed in 1993, SCL's customers include NGOs, police departments, military forces, municipal authorities, and the UN. According to the website, funding for SCL has been provided by a number of "private high net worth individuals" all based in the UK.
The company has invested nearly $20 million into research at what they call the Behavioural Dynamics Institute (BDi), the world’s leading authority on persuasion, communication psychology and public diplomacy. Given that they are the "World's leaders" it is strange that they do not have a website.
SCL is about selling to the military and Governments, or those that wish to control the military and the Government, the tools that they need to fight and the win the information war for people's minds.
Within its OpCentres are all the tools needed to initiate an elite full spectrum police state takeover - reality control. The SCL website makes the following chilling statement:
The last 5 years have seen a flurry of Homeland Security scenarios enacted and re-enacted on the streets of our cities. What if there is a biological attack, or the detonation of multiple explosive devices?
However, a major flaw has emerged in many of the scenarios - the unmanageability of civilians. They do not behave as they are supposed to. When a virus hits a city, civilians do not line up for vaccination: they run for the hills. When terrorists are looking for a target, it is the predictability of civilian behaviour that makes the terrorists' job easier. What if there was a way to control civilian behaviour when it counts? Imagine the benefits of having civilians as cooperating partners.
Strategic Communication makes the people part of the solution, not part of the problem.
But how do the so-called OpCentres provide the ability to do this? Well according to SCL:
An Opcentre puts influence, control and power back into the hands of the government and military, giving them greater power to influence the enemy in time of conflict and enhanced access to their citizens during a crisis. For instance, an Opcentre can be designed to override all national radio and TV broadcasts, allowing the government and military to communicate with the public as the need arises.
The OpCentres allow for powerful PSYOP campaigns to be conducted, which can engender support within the national community for proposed military action or more bone chillingly, "develop national resilience and behavioural compliance for homeland security issues".
They also allow for the takeover and control of Financial markets, health ministries, and foreign affairs.
Modules within the Opcentres can range from "Word-of Mouth Units" to "Cultural Alignment Units" and previous projects SCL have undertaken for clients include to "Design and develop a permanent military strategic communication
facility capable of delivering strategic and operational psyop campaigns for a South Asian country." and to "Design, build and install a Homeland Security Centre for an Asian country. The Opcentre can override all national radio and TV broadcasts in time of crisis."
Internal security issues are covered too, with the ability within the OpCentre to quell public unrest, manage large crowds or riot situations, prevent insurgency and other such public affairs crises under the umbrella of a "counter-terrorism programme."
"Almost every country suffers from some problematic faction within its citizens. These disaffected groups may be driven by religious fervour, self-importance or just greed. In all cases, their ability to operate and recruit new members depends on the perceptual environment and the levels of tolerance of the state and its citizens. SCL specialises in producing solutions for governments so that they can significantly increase their control and management of disaffected groups as part of a wider counter-terrorism programme."
According to SCL, although it offers solutions for all departments of government, it "makes sense" to give total control of of their installations to the Head of State because other ministers of government may be "over zealous" or may not share the same vision.
Perhaps there may be some ministers who are not hell bent on destroying the freedoms of everyone and perpetuating endless psy-war on people and nations all over the planet? hmmm? Perhaps?
This is the future of the globalist police state takeover, they have the infrastructure in place, they have the ability to initiate the takeover NOW. However, they recognise that perception is everything and we are engaged within an INFOWAR.
They could not takeover tomorrow because not enough people would believe the perception of reality that they are transmitting. Currently we are in the majority, they still have a long way to go before their PSYOPS campaigns and "word of mouth units" can do an effective enough job.
Of course the main task currently assigned to the "Cultural Alignment Unit" is to create the perception that we are the minority, and that anyone who is not with the Government is with the "disaffected groups" more widely referred to as "the terrorists"
We are holding them off by spreading the truth and defending our freedoms in our own peaceful revolution of information. It is our reality that is at stake, they want to control our reality with conflict and disharmony and therefore they must continue to create the perception that that is the way the world is.
As SCL puts it on their own website:
We live in a world of communication, where perception is very often the reality. Those individuals that control the perceptions are the ones that control virtually everything. Most modern conflicts are based on misaligned perceptions, ideologies, opinions about religion, etc. If a government does not have the tools to manage the perceptions which effect security, defence, finance, tourism, health and foreign relations, then it may well find itself at the mercy of those that do.
We respond with the words of Orwell in 1984:
Being a minority, even a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad. The obvious, the silly, and the true had to be defended. Truisms are true, hold on to that! The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall towards the earth's centre. With the feeling that he was speaking directly to O'Brien, and also that he was setting forth an important axiom, Winston wrote:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
bb_matt
Executive Member
Very scary words by Mr. Orwell, which seem to ring with more truth every passing day.
I recall a technique for modifying photographs, long before computers were capable of this manipulation. It was a method whereby people could be wiped out of history entirely, or airbrushed into history, or events falsified.
There's a lot of info out there, a quick search led me to this book on Amazon :-
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0805052941/102-9337411-5306533
Where am I leading with this ?
Simple really, with modern techniques, would you not think it possible to manipulate video in the same way ?
Would that video then be broadcast by government (or corporate) controlled media ?
Of course.
Which all neatly dovetails in with LGM's post above.
I recall a technique for modifying photographs, long before computers were capable of this manipulation. It was a method whereby people could be wiped out of history entirely, or airbrushed into history, or events falsified.
There's a lot of info out there, a quick search led me to this book on Amazon :-
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0805052941/102-9337411-5306533
Where am I leading with this ?
Simple really, with modern techniques, would you not think it possible to manipulate video in the same way ?
Would that video then be broadcast by government (or corporate) controlled media ?
Of course.
Which all neatly dovetails in with LGM's post above.
Funny how no one has commented on the video i posted earlier ??
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2703896?htv=12&htv=12&htv=12
Seems that she has excellent valid points.
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2703896?htv=12&htv=12&htv=12
Seems that she has excellent valid points.
LoneGunman
Expert Member
To continue on with the manipulation of percieved reality:
Most recently:
"In an orchestrated set-up, George W. Bush announced that a plan to fly a plane into the LA Library Tower was thwarted in 2002 and within minutes news networks were showing footage of the same building being destroyed in the movie Independence Day."
The mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa, immediately went public with comments of his absolute bewilderment concerning the alleged plot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060209...rIkW.5H2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
Within minutes of the President's speech, news networks were showing images from the movie Independence Day, where the Library Tower is destroyed as part of the alien invasion.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200602090004
In the mind of the passive viewer this information enters the brain as if it is real, and they suspend disbelief to embrace the notion that the building was destroyed by terrorists. This residue remains in the viewer's psyche and the validity of the government's response to the 'attack,' in this instance passing the soon to expire Patriot Act and justifying spying on Americans, is unquestionable. This isn't another tin-foil hat conspiracy theory, the suggestibility of television is a scientific fact that has been accepted for decades.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0005339B-A694-1CC5-B4A8809EC588EEDF
A Classic Older Example Of Total Imaginary News
"In 2003, Fox News warned us that, "Iraq could be planning a chemical or biological attack on American cities through the use of remote-controlled "drone" planes equipped with GPS tracking maps, according to U.S. intelligence."
(Iraq didn't even have an air force that could attack neighboring countries never mind elsewhere. Photographs of the alleged drones showed model kit toy aircraft that looked about as convincing as paper aeroplanes.)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79450,00.html
The Washington Post later reported that the drones were never built and the only aircraft similar in nature were capable of traveling no more than 93 miles. (The distance between America and Iraq is roughly 7,000 miles.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62442-2004Sep4.html
The Nukes That Never Was
Russian Governor and former nuclear power plant manager Pavel Ipatov stated that Iran was incapable of building a nuclear weapon. http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/02/01/iranunable.shtml
Such an assertion was even backed up by National Intelligence Director John Negroponte, who stated that Iran simply does not have the material to produce nuclear bombs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_go_co/intelligence_congress_5
Even the CIA's own national intelligence estimate concluded that Iran was at least ten years away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453.html
(The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors say there is no evidence of a weapons program.)
However thanks to widespread media manipulation and perception control of the sheeple, these facts are seemingly irrelevant to the unfolding game plan.
Today:
The latest scary! danger! "Iran's Deadly EMP Weapon" articles emerging.
http://cbn.com/cbnnews/usnews/060308a.asp
(None of the experts or media mentioning that Iran would most likely have to HAVE nuclear weapons, in order to have an EMP device.)
I refer folks to the 2003 US East Coast blackout, which was a military test utilizing EMP technology.
It is known HAARP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP ) was turned on at 4pm on August 14th, just 11 minutes before the blackout occurred. Military drill Determined Promise '03 was announced just one day before the blackout and Canada militarized its border just three hours before the blackout for no apparent reason.
So if the US is shortly to see some EMP fry its systems, its almost certain to be done by elements of the Government itself, as an own goal to justify a 'response' against whoever it has lined up in its sights.
Most recently:
"In an orchestrated set-up, George W. Bush announced that a plan to fly a plane into the LA Library Tower was thwarted in 2002 and within minutes news networks were showing footage of the same building being destroyed in the movie Independence Day."
The mayor of Los Angeles, Antonio Villaraigosa, immediately went public with comments of his absolute bewilderment concerning the alleged plot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060209...rIkW.5H2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
Within minutes of the President's speech, news networks were showing images from the movie Independence Day, where the Library Tower is destroyed as part of the alien invasion.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200602090004
In the mind of the passive viewer this information enters the brain as if it is real, and they suspend disbelief to embrace the notion that the building was destroyed by terrorists. This residue remains in the viewer's psyche and the validity of the government's response to the 'attack,' in this instance passing the soon to expire Patriot Act and justifying spying on Americans, is unquestionable. This isn't another tin-foil hat conspiracy theory, the suggestibility of television is a scientific fact that has been accepted for decades.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0005339B-A694-1CC5-B4A8809EC588EEDF
A Classic Older Example Of Total Imaginary News
"In 2003, Fox News warned us that, "Iraq could be planning a chemical or biological attack on American cities through the use of remote-controlled "drone" planes equipped with GPS tracking maps, according to U.S. intelligence."
(Iraq didn't even have an air force that could attack neighboring countries never mind elsewhere. Photographs of the alleged drones showed model kit toy aircraft that looked about as convincing as paper aeroplanes.)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79450,00.html
The Washington Post later reported that the drones were never built and the only aircraft similar in nature were capable of traveling no more than 93 miles. (The distance between America and Iraq is roughly 7,000 miles.)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62442-2004Sep4.html
The Nukes That Never Was
Russian Governor and former nuclear power plant manager Pavel Ipatov stated that Iran was incapable of building a nuclear weapon. http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/02/01/iranunable.shtml
Such an assertion was even backed up by National Intelligence Director John Negroponte, who stated that Iran simply does not have the material to produce nuclear bombs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060202/ap_on_go_co/intelligence_congress_5
Even the CIA's own national intelligence estimate concluded that Iran was at least ten years away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/01/AR2005080101453.html
(The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors say there is no evidence of a weapons program.)
However thanks to widespread media manipulation and perception control of the sheeple, these facts are seemingly irrelevant to the unfolding game plan.
Today:
The latest scary! danger! "Iran's Deadly EMP Weapon" articles emerging.
http://cbn.com/cbnnews/usnews/060308a.asp
(None of the experts or media mentioning that Iran would most likely have to HAVE nuclear weapons, in order to have an EMP device.)
I refer folks to the 2003 US East Coast blackout, which was a military test utilizing EMP technology.
It is known HAARP ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAARP ) was turned on at 4pm on August 14th, just 11 minutes before the blackout occurred. Military drill Determined Promise '03 was announced just one day before the blackout and Canada militarized its border just three hours before the blackout for no apparent reason.
So if the US is shortly to see some EMP fry its systems, its almost certain to be done by elements of the Government itself, as an own goal to justify a 'response' against whoever it has lined up in its sights.
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Have a look at this information.
The U.S knows about this and is trying to secure the last drops...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html
Wonder what the U.S will go to war for after the oil is gone...
The U.S knows about this and is trying to secure the last drops...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://www.princeton.edu/hubbert/current-events.html
Wonder what the U.S will go to war for after the oil is gone...
Oops! Meant rather - wanted to see the rest of any comments in the post (before watching any video, which I may or may not watch.) 
And just to challenge you on this:
Hmm cannot seem to remember any Jew or Christian in our time that blew themselves up along with some inccocent kids at a shopping complex
Can you remember the last time you saw bulldozers knocking people's houses down? Sound familiar?
And just to challenge you on this:
Hmm cannot seem to remember any Jew or Christian in our time that blew themselves up along with some inccocent kids at a shopping complex
Can you remember the last time you saw bulldozers knocking people's houses down? Sound familiar?
LoneGunman
Expert Member
oober - the 'peak oil' debate is another whole saga unto itself. There's violent debate for and against the concept - as to whether this is 'real' - or whether its a diversionary tactic put out in essence by the various oil companies and their agents, who - naturally, love the idea of their product potentially assuming a far greater value than it currently has.
It is all about the oil, regardless..
It is all about the oil, regardless..
LoneGunman
Expert Member
kilo39, yup - to give an idea of how far back it goes - here's an interesting BBC documentary: "During the Six-Day war, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty, claiming mistaken identity. The truth turns out to be more sinister..."
(streaming links) (not sure if its working tho)
Part one: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/libertypart1.ram
Part two: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/libertypart2.ram
http://www.ussliberty.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html
oober - there's an interesting documentary for the 'pro-peak oil' folks, called 'The End of Suburbia' - if you run across it, its not half bad.
(streaming links) (not sure if its working tho)
Part one: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/libertypart1.ram
Part two: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/libertypart2.ram
http://www.ussliberty.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html
oober - there's an interesting documentary for the 'pro-peak oil' folks, called 'The End of Suburbia' - if you run across it, its not half bad.
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LoneGunman
Expert Member
In keeping with the 'misperception of reality' theme..
You maybe saw the movie, now watch the reality
"BBC Documentary – Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor. The official account states that this was a surprise attack by the Japanese, the truth turns out to be different.
stream it: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.ram
download it: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.rm
Discovery Science – Owning the Weather
Documentary that looks at the history of weather modification and its use by the military. Among the topics covered are: cloud seeding, HAARP and declassified experiments.
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/owning_the_weather.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/owning_the_weather.rm
MK Ultra and the 'Mind Sciences' – US government research and the Nazis
low quality: http://www.thelawparty.com/MediaPlayer/CIA/MKULTRA Full Documentary.WMV
hi quality: http://gnn.tv/dangerous/bb_qt.html
IBM, the Nazis and the holocaust
low quality: http://gnn.tv/ibm/med_qt.html
hi quality: http://gnn.tv/ibm/bb_qt.html
The History Channel – 'The Invisible Machine'
Unravels the mystery of the Bell Island "boom" and in doing so takes a chilling look at the US military's experimentation with electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapons - "e-bombs"
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/invisible_machine.ram
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Munich: Mossad's Revenge What really happened after the 1972 massacre of 11 Israeli athletes in Munich? Channel 4 investigates, revealing some disturbing facts in the process. Features interviews with former Mossad personnel
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/mossads_revenge.ram
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You maybe saw the movie, now watch the reality
"BBC Documentary – Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor. The official account states that this was a surprise attack by the Japanese, the truth turns out to be different.
stream it: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.ram
download it: http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.rm
Discovery Science – Owning the Weather
Documentary that looks at the history of weather modification and its use by the military. Among the topics covered are: cloud seeding, HAARP and declassified experiments.
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/owning_the_weather.ram
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MK Ultra and the 'Mind Sciences' – US government research and the Nazis
low quality: http://www.thelawparty.com/MediaPlayer/CIA/MKULTRA Full Documentary.WMV
hi quality: http://gnn.tv/dangerous/bb_qt.html
IBM, the Nazis and the holocaust
low quality: http://gnn.tv/ibm/med_qt.html
hi quality: http://gnn.tv/ibm/bb_qt.html
The History Channel – 'The Invisible Machine'
Unravels the mystery of the Bell Island "boom" and in doing so takes a chilling look at the US military's experimentation with electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapons - "e-bombs"
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/invisible_machine.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/invisible_machine.rm
Munich: Mossad's Revenge What really happened after the 1972 massacre of 11 Israeli athletes in Munich? Channel 4 investigates, revealing some disturbing facts in the process. Features interviews with former Mossad personnel
stream it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/mossads_revenge.ram
download it: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/mossads_revenge.rm
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