The day Zuma got it right

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President Jacob Zuma says that South Africans should not travel to Israel. And he is right.

The fact is that I have just returned from the country and having seen it for myself, I could not agree with him more. It would simply be too upsetting for South Africans to see what has been achieved in the very short time since Israel achieved her independence. And more so given that she is surrounded by enemies who swear her destruction daily.

Jacob Zuma is right. And considering that he achieves this feat once in a decade, this is well worth publicising.

His ANC is a mess. Corruption and wholesale looting has defined his leadership. He alone faces hundreds of criminal charges, and is hated equally amongst all races of South Africans. All South Africans want is for him to go away. To just leave and never come back. He is the president of a country that begs for better, that deserves more and who can only succeed without the horror of his presidency.

So when he tells South Africans not to travel to Israel it is worth listening to. Because he knows that it will be impossible to not compare the two countries.

Israel has very limited natural resources. It doesn’t have the gold and the platinum and the coal and the chrome and the manganese and copper that South Africa has. It doesn’t have the water and the dams and vast open spaces on which to cultivate whatever is desired. It doesn’t have neighbors who wish her well and with whom to trade and she is forced to spend her resources on defending her existence. She is under constant existential threat from both within her borders and further afield and is challenged daily in ways that South Africa could not possibly imagine.

Israel is imperfect. Her people are conflicted and troubled and flawed. They are survivors of Hitler’s Europe and the ethnic cleansing of the Middle East where Jews were purged from countries that had been their home for hundreds of years. They are from North Africa where they had more in common with their African brothers in culture than with fellow Jews from Europe. They joined with Muslims and Christians and atheists; all of whom were drawn or forced into a small country the size of the Kruger National Park. They arrived broken and tired. And then they started to build. Sometimes successfully and other times not. Despite this, together, they created the country that Jacob Zuma does not want you to see.

He doesn’t want to show South Africans a country that leads the world in innovation, that has all but eradicated its water crises, that sees medical breakthrough after medical breakthrough and one that is obsessively focused on the honesty and integrity of its leaders.

Jacob Zuma does not want South Africans to see a country that interrogates its prime minister for accepting cigars as gifts. He does not want you to see a country that jails its members of parliament for accepting bribes and corruption. So much more convenient it is for him to retreat to the narrative of the “oppressed”. Because that is the safe place where once, a long time ago, South Africa may have had the ability to show the world about transformation.

Israel has challenges. Major ones. And the solution is not visible and tangible. Her history is littered with the murder of her children and the tragic consequences that follows. Tokyo Sexwale spoke of the tears of Israelis and Palestinians being tears on the same face. Mmusi Maimane has chosen, like other leaders in the South African political arena, to go and see it himself.

He will see wonderment and beauty and innovation and progress and he will see the challenges of conflict that at one time belonged only to the Middle East. He will be confused and impressed and he will be sad and joyous. But mostly, he will be able to see the country and to decide for himself.

And he will see the many ways that Israel can assist in the betterment of South Africa. He will find solutions to challenges that Africa faces, and will return a better leader who is better able to inspire.

Jacob Zuma is right. For once. South Africans should avoid travelling to Israel. At least for his sake.

http://www.news24.com/Columnists/HowardFeldman/the-day-zuma-got-it-right-20170112
 
I am no fan of Israel's ****ed up internal policies, nor of its treatment of their Arab second class citizens in their version of bantustans.

But I do respect the nation for its incredible (in the real sense of the word) success in the face of the utmost difficulty.

Israel is the only success story in the region - granted, strong US support has helped - but Israel stands alone in the middle east on the winner's podium. There is no second or third place. Just losers.
 
Yeah I hate the haters hating on Israel. Somehow them Palestinians are tricking many people.
 
All that to say we shouldn't go there because their success would depress us?
 
This is why Israel is so successful and hard to eliminate.

The world needs to know the facts.

This is absolutely well worth the read.

Yes, indeed, pray for the peace of Jerusalem...we owe so much to this little nation who is fighting for their very survival...


"A Jewish Boycott" the Arabs are crying for - Well now, what do you think of these facts?

Some time ago, Iran's Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
urged the Muslim World to boycott anything and everything that
originates from the Jewish people. This cry has now been taken up by Hamas and other Muslims world-wide!

In response, Meyer M Treinkman, a pharmacist, out of the kindness of
his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:

"Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew. If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.

"A Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis, a discovery by
a Jew, Ludwig Traube.

Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a
discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.

If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of
Research by Minkowsky, a Jew. If one has a headache, he must shun
Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.

Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew,
Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate.

Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud,
father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.

Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the
"Schick" reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.

"Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit
treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Jewish Nobel Prize winner,
Robert Baram.

They should continue to die or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis
because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.

"Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of
Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.


Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by
dermatologist Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel,
and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.

"In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain
afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus,
Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be
proud to obey the Islamic boycott."

Oh, and by the way, don't call for a doctor on your cell phone because
the cell phone was invented in Israel by a Jewish engineer.

Meanwhile I ask, what medical contributions to the world have the
Muslims made?"

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is
approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of
the world's population.

They have received the following
Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert
Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training
camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum
deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or
blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews
don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say
it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence.

If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more
Israel."

Benjamin Netanyahu: General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history
that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found

the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from
surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on
record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere
down the road of history some idiot will get up and say that this
never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its
school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim populationwhich
claims it never occurred.

It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of
the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is
giving into it.

It is now more than 65 years after the Second World War in Europe
ended.

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust
to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.


--------------------------------------

Does this not smell a lot like our uprising to decolonise?
 
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No Zuma didn't get it right. as posted by stokstert. Very down to earth people, can deal with them. The others not so much. Funny in the Arab world Israel is the smallest, yet they're all on their case. Israel just won't budge and give their country away to terrorists like happened in SA and thats what the world and our idiot president don't like.
 
This is why Israel is so successful and hard to eliminate.

The world needs to know the facts.

This is absolutely well worth the read.

Yes, indeed, pray for the peace of Jerusalem...we owe so much to this little nation who is fighting for their very survival...


"A Jewish Boycott" the Arabs are crying for - Well now, what do you think of these facts?

Some time ago, Iran's Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
urged the Muslim World to boycott anything and everything that
originates from the Jewish people. This cry has now been taken up by Hamas and other Muslims world-wide!

In response, Meyer M Treinkman, a pharmacist, out of the kindness of
his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:

"Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew. If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.

"A Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis, a discovery by
a Jew, Ludwig Traube.

Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a
discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.

If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of
Research by Minkowsky, a Jew. If one has a headache, he must shun
Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.

Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew,
Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate.

Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud,
father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.

Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the
"Schick" reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.

"Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit
treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Jewish Nobel Prize winner,
Robert Baram.

They should continue to die or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis
because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.

"Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of
Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.


Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by
dermatologist Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel,
and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.

"In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain
afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus,
Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be
proud to obey the Islamic boycott."

Oh, and by the way, don't call for a doctor on your cell phone because
the cell phone was invented in Israel by a Jewish engineer.

Meanwhile I ask, what medical contributions to the world have the
Muslims made?"

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is
ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:

(zero)

Physics:

(zero)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is
approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of
the world's population.

They have received the following
Nobel Prizes:

Literature:

1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:

1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert
Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm

1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman

1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow

1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino

TOTAL: 129!

The Jews are NOT promoting brainwashing children in military training
camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum
deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.

The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or
blow themselves up in German restaurants.

There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church.

There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews
don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the
Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more
culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say
it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more
violence.

If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more
Israel."

Benjamin Netanyahu: General Eisenhower warned us. It is a matter of history
that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found

the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from
surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on
record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere
down the road of history some idiot will get up and say that this
never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its
school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim populationwhich
claims it never occurred.

It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of
the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is
giving into it.

It is now more than 65 years after the Second World War in Europe
ended.

Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust
to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.


--------------------------------------

Does this not smell a lot like our uprising to decolonise?
Same with the locals wanting to decolonise science, playing in their iPads.... :Crylaugh:
 
No Zuma didn't get it right. as posted by stokstert. Very down to earth people, can deal with them. The others not so much. Funny in the Arab world Israel is the smallest, yet they're all on their case. Israel just won't budge and give their country away to terrorists like happened in SA and thats what the world and our idiot president don't like.

:wtf:

C'mon no one gave a country to terrorists in SA, it's called democracy and if you don't like it, hard luck to you.



P.S. You might as well change back to your old alias, your cover is blown anyway, all the tendencies that got you banned in the first place are shining through.
 
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And look at the Nobel dates. The last one was in 2000, the rest mainly '96 and before.
They're no longer doing whatever they were then.

I'm neither pro or anti either camp, I think both are dumb-asses.
 
And look at the Nobel dates. The last one was in 2000, the rest mainly '96 and before.
They're no longer doing whatever they were then.

I'm neither pro or anti either camp, I think both are dumb-asses.

erm, list is old, does not include:

2002: Daniel Kahneman (Economics)
2004: Aaron Ciechanover / Avram Hershko (Chemistry)
2005: Robert Aumann (Economics)
2009: Ada Yonath (Chemistry)
2011: Dan Shechtman (Chemistry)


oopys to that argument
 
:wtf:

C'mon no one gave a country to terrorists in SA, it's called democracy and if you don't like it, hard luck to you.



P.S. You might as well change back to your old alias, your cover is blown anyway, all the tendencies that got you banned in the first place are shining through.
What's his old alias? It smells familiar
 
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