The DSL cap!

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daysleeper

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I think in South Africa the complicating factor is the presence of TelkomISP. I mean SAIX is wholesale and then the wholesaler owns a retailer, if you get my drift. This amounts to a conflict of interest between the wholesaler's retail business and its distribution business.

Having said that, telkom have solved this problem quite well because lots of SAIX resellers exists in this very cut throat business and I think profit margins are dwindling. Thats why the all do some value added service like hosting.

But here is a thought! Per GB usage may actually be to these ISPs advantage. Think about it, lets say 50% of there client base only uses half of there cap or 1,5gb. This means that the ISPs will save money and make larger profits, due to the fact that the clients do not uses there alloted bandwidth, so they pay the subscription which the ISP keeps and the ISP just settles the amount for used bandwidth with SAIX.

ICASA and international comparisons aside. Lets be honest uncapped DSL at this stage is not a possibility for everybody. If you really want it you can pay for it. It is by no means mainstream, its a niche market. So if you really want to download DVDs ect then get uncapped.

The amount of uncapped accounts is controled by the cost of such account. Now the second step is to decide what is a reasonable starting point for a cap at home?

We should form a bargaining committee, where all telkoms clients are allowed to vote and the process should involve mediation, due to the fact that thier is a monopoly and we have no choice of service provider, so we are stuck with telkom and i feel we as consumers have the right to have input the products offered because telkom has no competition and ICASA is toothless.

But I think as far as this forum is concerned it is maybe time to start look at what we really need and how much we are willing to reasonably pay.

I think that most people can afford R500 per month so for this, we should get 10gb and DSL512 rental.
 
I agree with uncapped DSL not being the perfect solution yet for South Africa.

But there is NO reason for port shaping on capped accounts. You must be able to decide what to do with your 1GB, and not Telkom.

We must stand together and free South Africa from the Telkom disease called "port shaping on capped accounts".
 
daysleeper said:
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...Having said that, telkom have solved this problem quite well because lots of SAIX resellers exists ................

.....We should form a bargaining committee, ............

But I think as far as this forum is concerned it is maybe time to start look at what we really need and how much we are willing to reasonably pay.

I think that most people can afford R500 per month so for this, we should get 10gb and DSL512 rental.
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And the You woke out of Your days sleep and found out

100 000 consumers do not represent the broadband requirements in this country.. Millions cannot afford the R500 you propose, let alone the additional adsl and line rental costs.

Telkom will not be interested in your bargaining commitee, Bargain with who, they have monopoly...they do not need or want your input. Unless You are part of Telkom and want to discuss something? Then you missed the boat.

What we really need is what we already pay for! Telkom took that away. It is a slap in the face of this forum, RPM, as MyADSL is looking since 2003 at what we really need. Were You DayDreaming

On international standards for pricing You also missed the boat. For that R500 we should get 10 Mbps and 30 Gig , no shaping maybe prioritising LOL

WHat a Joke
 
When people can start buying bandwidth from the SNO Telkom will start sweating drops the size of a secondary planet.
 
We should form a bargaining committee, where all telkoms clients are allowed to vote and the process should involve mediation, due to the fact that thier is a monopoly and we have no choice of service provider, so we are stuck with telkom and i feel we as consumers have the right to have input the products offered because telkom has no competition and ICASA is toothless.
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This would be the ideal situation but unfortunatly this isn't going to happen. Telkom is just going to keep dominating the market pushing any future competition out of the way with their fat wallets and their set up (though lame) infrastructure :/
 
MaD said:
When people can start buying bandwidth from the SNO Telkom will start sweating drops the size of a secondary planet.
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May that day come quicker, Please Please I will be signing on the day before they open shop that is for sure. We will just have to wait and see what surprise is in store

@Mad How about starting a SNO webPage so we can welcome them and guide them as a preemptive strike or whatever. Even if it only say WELCOME SNoTATTA we were waiting a looong time, no longer, forget the idea of two Years bussiness only. WE WANT YOU NOW BABY, LAY DOWN THE LINE Hehe
 
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Excellent idea! A SNO section - maybe we could actually get someone there to participate?
 
@pupa

Listen, where have you been? Since when do the poor need broadband, if there don't have houses, jobs, food or electricity. I think the internet is the least of their problems.

Technology has always been for those who can afford it. Do you see McLarens and Rolls Royce in poor areas. This is how the world works. If it wasn't for the exclusivity money can buy, why do we all work so hard?

Secondaly the point of the argument is that if ICASA is the only thing that can stop telkom's as_rape and they suck, maybe its time for another solution that goes beyond even myADSL perhaps as far as the legislature.

Because lets face in, with all due respect to RPM and myADSL, what progress was made to lower dsl line rental has just been undone by telkoms per gb setup.

What point is fighting, we are all on the same side, we want the same things, we just believe that there are different ways of doing things. If my methods were that terrible, I would have been unemployed years ago.
 
Think about it!

Okay lets say that there was profit to be made out of you R500 10meg line. Don't you think overseas telcos would be here and wire africa in a flash?

Telkom's monopoly is over legally speaking. Where is all the investment and new competing telcos? There is just 1 SNO and its already off to a shaky start. What about AT&T and the other big ones, why don't they come and install these lines for our R500?

There is more to broadband service provision than you think, judging from your forum rantings and ravings pupa!

by the way, pupa most satelite services are still capped, don't know where you get your info from.
 
daysleeper said:
Listen, where have you been? Since when do the poor need broadband, if there don't have houses, jobs, food or electricity. I think the internet is the least of their problems.
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We're not talking about the destitute. There are plenty of people in SA who have their own little home, electricity, food, etc. and just manage to scrape by. There's no reason these people shouldn't have decent access to information and the internet.

daysleeper said:
Technology has always been for those who can afford it. Do you see McLarens and Rolls Royce in poor areas. This is how the world works. If it wasn't for the exclusivity money can buy, why do we all work so hard?
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So they can't own the latest hardware. You can hardly compare essentially custom-made products like the above with something relatively cheap and which continues earn steady income over time. Just because McLarens and Rolls Royces are expensive to make and buy is hardly a valid argument for denying less fortunate people access to information. Unless you're one of those rich people who actively campaigns to make sure we always have a poor uneducated underclass to exploit.
 
daysleeper said:
Okay lets say that there was profit to be made out of you R500 10meg line. Don't you think overseas telcos would be here and wire africa in a flash?

Telkom's monopoly is over legally speaking. Where is all the investment and new competing telcos? There is just 1 SNO and its already off to a shaky start. What about AT&T and the other big ones, why don't they come and install these lines for our R500?

There is more to broadband service provision than you think, judging from
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You have been sleeping. It has taken all this time for the SNO just to get a license. They would have been here years ago otherwise. And there is only one license for now. Overseas telecoms companies have been chomping at the bit to get into Africa for a long time.

There isn't a lot to broadband service provision. It can be laid out with minimal effort anywhere that the copper infrastructure already exists. Bandwidth is not in short supply. In fact just the opposite is true, the world has a surfeit of bandwidth and the telecoms companies are desperate to find ways to sell as much of it as possible. It make no money if it is sitting idle.

The entire Telkom privatisation and legal monopoly fiasco has been a good example of how you do not go about privatisation. It should be taught in courses along with the numerous other privatisation disasters around the world. In our case it probably wasn't error in judgement, but rather a handful of the powerful in government seeing an opportunity for personal profit. And those involved have made themselves rich. Telkom should have remained a purely government-owned not-for-profit company until this country had the infrastructure in place and we had communications services widely available - instead of running off with billions in profits that money should have been poured straight back into the system. At least then even though we might be paying the same high fees we do now we could at least know it was going towards the greater good and future of the country instead of into the pockets of a few.
 
daysleeper said:
Okay lets say that there was profit to be made out of you R500 10meg line. Don't you think overseas telcos would be here and wire africa in a flash?

Telkom's monopoly is over legally speaking. Where is all the investment and new competing telcos? There is just 1 SNO and its already off to a shaky start. What about AT&T and the other big ones, why don't they come and install these lines for our R500?

There is more to broadband service provision than you think, judging from your forum rantings and ravings pupa!

by the way, pupa most satelite services are still capped, don't know where you get your info from.
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I am using SAT for Years do p2p and whatever I want and never had the crap I have on 1024 ADSL I talk of experience not what I read in adverts. I never were capped once. My speed never were throttled once depended purely on congestion alone
Telkom monopoly is not over Yet, that HOPEFULLY would come. You must be dreaming. What are we waiting for then. The SNO would not make a difference for many Years, other operators cannot set up shop here as they would not get a license. It took the SNO tears to get there and it is still only emminent, so what are You waffling about Monopoly over LoL
 
URL please?

I still can't find uncapped satelite services. They all say like 3gb, like gilat and vsat ect. Even bently walker.

Where do you get 1mb uncapped satelite?
 
pupa said:
@Mad How about starting a SNO webPage so we can welcome them and guide them as a preemptive strike or whatever. Even if it only say WELCOME SNoTATTA we were waiting a looong time, no longer, forget the idea of two Years bussiness only. WE WANT YOU NOW BABY, LAY DOWN THE LINE Hehe
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There is one already - it's at www.myadsl.co.za ;)
 
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