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The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014
- Thread starter DreamKing
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I don't think that it's a flimsy or tiny reason at all and it's certainly not random.The sheer randomness of Paul O'Sullivan running for Parliament.
And the aforementioned tendency to look for any possibly reason not to vote DA, while being convinced by the flimsiest and tiniest reasons to vote for another party. Double standards.
Agang has made a commitment to fight corruption and having Paul O'Sullivan as the head of their anti-corruption team is a huge plus and shows they are actually serious about this, it's not just talk. So no, no double standards.
I'm also not looking for any possibly reason not to vote DA, by the way, I have enough reasons already, they are no longer in the running as far as my vote goes and haven't been for some time. Acknowledging the integrity and experience in fighting corruption that Paul O'Sullivan brings to the table has nothing to do with 'not voting for the DA' - not everything revolves around the DA, believe it or not, so you don't need to bring them up everytime someone talks about voting for another party.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Except you are. I ask you why you consider COPE and you give me vapid and inane answers. You consider one person being a part of Agang as enough reason to vote for them.
When it comes to the DA - can you honestly tell me there's not one redeemable aspect about them? One thing, or not even that (in COPE's case) is enough to sway you toward Agang or COPE, but when it's the DA then you dismiss them entirely.
Would you stop it already? It's our free choice to vote for whomever we like. Go and campaign somewhere else please. Every single post of yours is "You no vote DA! Why you no vote DA!". Fark me.
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Ok so he had to fill in a complaint form and then he was forced to leave. The DA Abroad people were unable to provide assistance. The queues are about 3 to 4 hours long.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Did I say he's not allowed to vote for someone else? Maybe you should actually read my posts, as I've also repeatedly said I wouldn't mind Agang and COPE MPs. Would also have liked a Libertarian Party SA MP, but alas...
I'm quizzing him about his reasoning, which so far have revealed double standards. Which he's naturally entitled to have.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Why would the Bushbuckridge Residents Association contest nationally? :wtf:
What double standards? Do you mean the DA also have Paul O'Sullivan and I'm not giving them the same credit I give to Agang?
Seriously what double standards are you talking about?
Do you give every party the same amount of consideration? Really?
You don't narrow down the list and choose from there?
I told you why I don't trust the DA, that's not a double standard, it's how I feel about them based on what I've seen over the years. Why would I vote for a party I don't trust?
I do trust Paul O'Sullivan, on the other hand, he has a proven track record - I trust that he has the integrity, the skills and the experience to fight corruption successfully and without favour. Since corruption is one of, if not the, biggest problem facing our country, this is a big deal to me. If you want to fight corruption you don't hire advertising agents and botox specialists - you get the most successful corruption buster on board.
You laugh at me but I find it laughable that you dismiss him so easily as if having him on board is just random and irrelevant.
Boggles the mind.
ShaunSA
Derailment Squad
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Look at the reasons you gave for potentially supporting COPE and now Agang. It's based on 1 person in each instance. Nothing about their policies, nothing about their performance, nothing about how they've acted in the past, nothing about other people in the organisation. Just taking a vague liking to 1 person in the party and then considering that a solid enough reason to vote for them.
Is this how you evaluated the DA? No. Double standard.
joelus said:
And you trust COPE and Agang? COPE, who have had more than half of their MPs abandon the party just before the election? Have you complained about them 'only moaning about the ANC' ever before? Well that's all they ever did in Parliament. Same goes for Agang. Just after Ramphele's poor handling of the merger bungle she immediately started blaming the ANC and evading quite pertinent questions.
And no, I don't give all parties equal consideration. But the parties that are actually relatively serious contenders I believe deserve a more balanced evaluation.
I don't dismiss him, at all. And I never said he's irrelevant, or random as in 'pointless'. I meant random, as in 'out of the blue' or 'unexpected'.
But what do you reckon the odds are of him actually making it to Parliament, though? They won't get many MPs and no way in hell will he get a seat before Ramphele gets one. It would be great if both of them could get in, though. Will definitely put some heavyweights into the opposition benches.
I'm also just not that bowled over as his hands will be tied in Parliament. He's an investigator, not a politician. You need someone like him heading the SIU, not warming a bench among dolts. At the very least he'll make some noise about corruption, though, which is always welcome.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
COPE DEALT BLOW IN KZN
The only Cope member of the KwaZulu-Natal legislature officially joined the African National Congress on Wednesday.
Congress of the People provincial leader Lucky Gabela and other senior Cope members were handed ANC T-shirts by ANC provincial secretary Sihle Zikalala.
United Democratic Movement provincial executive committee member responsible for marketing and media Ian Radebe, along with two Agang SA members, were also welcomed into the ANC.
One of the Agang SA members Bulelo Sigabi was the party's deputy chairman in the province.
Zikalala said the ANC's campaign in the province had been successful, but declined to predict what percentage of the vote he expected the ANC to capture.
He said the ANC would be happy if it won 100 percent of the vote in the province.
Previously he had claimed the party was aiming to secure 70 percent of the votes cast.
"A failure would be getting something less than what we have," he said.
The ANC secured 62.9 percent of the provincial vote in the 2009 election, followed by the Inkatha Freedom Party with 22.4 percent and the Democratic Alliance with 9.15 percent.
Cope secured some 44,890 votes or 1.2 percent of the votes cast in that election which secured them the lone seat in the legislature occupied by Gabela.
Source : Sapa /js/hdw/jk/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:27
The only Cope member of the KwaZulu-Natal legislature officially joined the African National Congress on Wednesday.
Congress of the People provincial leader Lucky Gabela and other senior Cope members were handed ANC T-shirts by ANC provincial secretary Sihle Zikalala.
United Democratic Movement provincial executive committee member responsible for marketing and media Ian Radebe, along with two Agang SA members, were also welcomed into the ANC.
One of the Agang SA members Bulelo Sigabi was the party's deputy chairman in the province.
Zikalala said the ANC's campaign in the province had been successful, but declined to predict what percentage of the vote he expected the ANC to capture.
He said the ANC would be happy if it won 100 percent of the vote in the province.
Previously he had claimed the party was aiming to secure 70 percent of the votes cast.
"A failure would be getting something less than what we have," he said.
The ANC secured 62.9 percent of the provincial vote in the 2009 election, followed by the Inkatha Freedom Party with 22.4 percent and the Democratic Alliance with 9.15 percent.
Cope secured some 44,890 votes or 1.2 percent of the votes cast in that election which secured them the lone seat in the legislature occupied by Gabela.
Source : Sapa /js/hdw/jk/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:27
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
ZUMA DEPLOYS TROOPS FOR ELECTIONS
President Jacob Zuma has authorised the deployment of some 2000 troops to assist the police during the May 7 elections and the presidential inauguration, his office said on Wednesday.
Presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj said 1850 members of the SA National Defence Force would be on duty around the country on election day to help maintain law and order.
A further 247 would be deployed in Gauteng on May 24 to step up security in the province for the inauguration at the Union Buildings.
Source : Sapa /ef/jk/lp/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:24
President Jacob Zuma has authorised the deployment of some 2000 troops to assist the police during the May 7 elections and the presidential inauguration, his office said on Wednesday.
Presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj said 1850 members of the SA National Defence Force would be on duty around the country on election day to help maintain law and order.
A further 247 would be deployed in Gauteng on May 24 to step up security in the province for the inauguration at the Union Buildings.
Source : Sapa /ef/jk/lp/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:24
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
ZUMA DEPLOYS TROOPS FOR ELECTIONS
President Jacob Zuma has authorised the deployment of some 2000 troops to assist the police during the May 7 elections and the presidential inauguration, his office said on Wednesday.
Presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj said 1850 members of the SA National Defence Force would be on duty around the country on election day to help maintain law and order.
A further 247 would be deployed in Gauteng on May 24 to step up security in the province for the inauguration at the Union Buildings.
Source : Sapa /ef/jk/lp/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:24
President Jacob Zuma has authorised the deployment of some 2000 troops to assist the police during the May 7 elections and the presidential inauguration, his office said on Wednesday.
Presidential spokesman Mac Maharaj said 1850 members of the SA National Defence Force would be on duty around the country on election day to help maintain law and order.
A further 247 would be deployed in Gauteng on May 24 to step up security in the province for the inauguration at the Union Buildings.
Source : Sapa /ef/jk/lp/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:24
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
TIRED OF EMPTY PROMISES: ALEX GRANNY
A 72-year-old Alexandra woman spoke on Wednesday of her plans not to vote in next week's elections, saying she was tired of politicians' empty promises.
"They promise us all sorts of things when they want our votes and [then] disappear," said Gloria Gardener.
She was one of the people who attended a Democratic Alliance campaign event in the township in Johannesburg.
DA leader Helen Zille and Gauteng premier candidate Mmusi Maimane were at the forefront of the DA entourage seeking to woo voters.
Gardener said voting did not make any difference so she would rather stay away.
"I have been voting and I have not seen any of the things that they promised us before the elections."
She said she lived in dire conditions and her family of eight were dependent on her social grant and her disabled daughter's grant.
Gardener accused politicians of seeking to improve only their own lives.
Maimane told supporters it was unfair that President Jacob Zuma's cattle lived better than Alexandra residents did in their hostels.
He said the township had some major shortfalls and the party wanted to ensure that residents received the development due to them.
"Here outside the woman's hostel the quality of life is absolutely disappointing."
A 34-year-old mother of two, Cynthia Msiya, said conditions were very bad in the hostel.
She was renting and sharing a room with three other families at the hostel.
Msiya said she could not wait to vote because she wanted a job and a decent house.
Zille and her team toured the hostel to experience the conditions people were living under. She promised if they voted for her party, conditions would change and more jobs would be created.
"A vote for the DA is a vote for the growing economy plus jobs. People will choose to accept our offer for jobs by voting for the DA."
She said her party was targeting Gauteng because it wanted to grow its economy.
The campaign then moved to Banakeleleni Orphanage where Maimane handed over more than 30 DA-branded blankets.
The home housed 18 children aged between two and 18.
Founder Rose Martins said the blankets would be helpful.
She said they had sent a wish list to the DA and she was glad they came back.
"A lot of politicians promise us things and never come back to us."
Source : Sapa /lk/hdw/jk/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:43
A 72-year-old Alexandra woman spoke on Wednesday of her plans not to vote in next week's elections, saying she was tired of politicians' empty promises.
"They promise us all sorts of things when they want our votes and [then] disappear," said Gloria Gardener.
She was one of the people who attended a Democratic Alliance campaign event in the township in Johannesburg.
DA leader Helen Zille and Gauteng premier candidate Mmusi Maimane were at the forefront of the DA entourage seeking to woo voters.
Gardener said voting did not make any difference so she would rather stay away.
"I have been voting and I have not seen any of the things that they promised us before the elections."
She said she lived in dire conditions and her family of eight were dependent on her social grant and her disabled daughter's grant.
Gardener accused politicians of seeking to improve only their own lives.
Maimane told supporters it was unfair that President Jacob Zuma's cattle lived better than Alexandra residents did in their hostels.
He said the township had some major shortfalls and the party wanted to ensure that residents received the development due to them.
"Here outside the woman's hostel the quality of life is absolutely disappointing."
A 34-year-old mother of two, Cynthia Msiya, said conditions were very bad in the hostel.
She was renting and sharing a room with three other families at the hostel.
Msiya said she could not wait to vote because she wanted a job and a decent house.
Zille and her team toured the hostel to experience the conditions people were living under. She promised if they voted for her party, conditions would change and more jobs would be created.
"A vote for the DA is a vote for the growing economy plus jobs. People will choose to accept our offer for jobs by voting for the DA."
She said her party was targeting Gauteng because it wanted to grow its economy.
The campaign then moved to Banakeleleni Orphanage where Maimane handed over more than 30 DA-branded blankets.
The home housed 18 children aged between two and 18.
Founder Rose Martins said the blankets would be helpful.
She said they had sent a wish list to the DA and she was glad they came back.
"A lot of politicians promise us things and never come back to us."
Source : Sapa /lk/hdw/jk/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 15:43
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
IEC PLEDGES IMPARTIAL POLLS
The main national results operations centre of the Electoral Commission of SA (IEC) was officially opened in Pretoria on Wednesday.
IEC chairwoman Pansy Tlakula conducted the ceremony at the Tshwane events centre, west of Pretoria.
"The national operations centre together with the provincial results centres have become an enduring symbol of our commitment to deliver a free and fair election," she said.
"It now gives me great pleasure to declare the results operations centre for the 2014 national and provincial elections officially open."
She said like previous polls, the May 7 elections would conform to internationally accepted criteria, including impartial administration of the electoral process.
President Jacob Zuma and several representatives of opposition parties were at the launch and were given a tour of the huge electoral centre.
Source : Sapa /jm/hdw/th/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 16:03
The main national results operations centre of the Electoral Commission of SA (IEC) was officially opened in Pretoria on Wednesday.
IEC chairwoman Pansy Tlakula conducted the ceremony at the Tshwane events centre, west of Pretoria.
"The national operations centre together with the provincial results centres have become an enduring symbol of our commitment to deliver a free and fair election," she said.
"It now gives me great pleasure to declare the results operations centre for the 2014 national and provincial elections officially open."
She said like previous polls, the May 7 elections would conform to internationally accepted criteria, including impartial administration of the electoral process.
President Jacob Zuma and several representatives of opposition parties were at the launch and were given a tour of the huge electoral centre.
Source : Sapa /jm/hdw/th/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 16:03
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
From DA FB page:
. Probably the same reason why my brother wasn't on the voter's roll.
. Probably the same reason why my brother wasn't on the voter's roll.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
From DA FB page:
Yeah, saw a lot of people complaining about this. Hope the DA follow up.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
That's unbloodybelievable... I am starting to worry about just how much vote rigging and shenanigans are going to go on this time around...
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
I see that the ANC is handing out t-shirts at the voting stations abroad, many photo’s going around on FB, labelling the t-shirts as “braai-hemde”.