The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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SUBJECT : E-toll court application: Despite wide public opposition against e-tolls starting tomorrow, court does not view application as urgent

ISSUED BY : Adv. Anton Alberts

CAPACITY : FF Plus parliamentary spokesperson: Transport

DATE : 2 December 2013



Despite the fact that the E-Toll Act, in the midst of growing public resistance, will be implemented from tomorrow, the Freedom Front Plus and its partners’ application to prevent the implementation of the act through an interdict have been unsuccessful after the court found that the application is not urgent enough, Adv. Anton Alberts, the FF Plus’ parliamentary spokesperson on Transport says.



According to Alberts, Judge Mabel Jansen of the North Gauteng High Court did not make a decision about the unconstitutionality of the E-Toll Act although this had formed the basis of the Toll Road Action Group’s (TAG) application.



In her judgment, Judge Jansen said amongst others that there is no harm which cannot be corrected at a later date, Adv. Alberts says.



“The FF Plus does not agree with this at all. We contended that the Act itself and the implementation thereof are unconstitutional. This formed the basis of our application and was not contested in court.



“In effect it means that an act which in our opinion is unconstitutional will be implemented within hours from now. Billions of rand are involved here and the impact on road users and the region’s economy will be enormous.



“How the court could in the light of this decide that the application isn’t urgent, is incomprehensible. We are expecting even stronger opposition from the public who will also have to pay for a system and an act to which they are unlawfully being subjected.



“We are at present busy considering the decision. The opportunity is still there to place the case on the ordinary roll where there will not be any question about urgency. We nevertheless expected the court to act more sternly toward the state given the seriousness of the application.



“We are also disappointed about the costs order. This means that institutions which act in the public interest against the abuses of the state have to pay if the decisions are made against them. This is not good for the rights of a country’s citizens in a democratic dispensation.”



Regarding the late application, Adv. Alberts said it was not done purposefully.



“Behind the scenes we have been involved in an exchange of letters with the president about the issue in which we had, amongst others, requested him to make his legal opinion about the Act available to the FF Plus.



“There was no attempt from the office of the president to react to this or to answer urgent questions about the constitutionality of the Act.



“After the early date for the implementation of the system had been announced, we had no other choice but to bring an urgent application before the court,” Adv. Alberts said.

Adv. Anton Alberts
FF Plus
 
OK well that explains the delay, they were waiting for a response from Zuma, but none was forthcoming.
 
Joburg motorists avoided tolled routes: JMPD

Traffic was heavy on Johannesburg roads on Wednesday morning as motorist continued to avoid provincial tolled highways, Johannesburg metro police said.

"Over and above, people are using alternative routes and they have been avoiding the N1, N3, and N12 since yesterday," spokeswoman Edna Mamonyane said.

She said traffic on the M1 North to the Johannesburg city centre was very heavy.

The flow was also affected by traffic lights not working at major intersections.

Mamonyane said she did not know how long motorists would avoid the tolled routes.

"We cannot say if motorists will eventually get e-tags or not at all."

Democratic Alliance Gauteng MPL Neil Campbell said the alternative routes were not viable.

"One of the roads on this list of alternatives is Witkoppen Road which already carries a huge volume of traffic and has a collapsing bridge."

Prominent engineers had expressed serious concerns regarding motorists' safety on the road but nothing had been done to fix the bridge.

"I hope no lives are lost before this process is complete as the blame for any loss of life will then rest squarely on the shoulders of [Gauteng roads and transport MEC [Ismail Vadi]."

Vadi's spokeswoman Octavia Mamabolo could not be immediately reached for comment.


Source : Sapa /lk/aa/jk/jje
Date : 04 Dec 2013 09:41
 
Disabled protest against tolls

About a dozen wheelchair-bound Gauteng residents gathered at the Rivonia e-toll customer service centre to protest against the lack of an exemption for disabled people from e-tolls, The Star reported on Wednesday.

They were reportedly members of the QuadPara Association SA (Qasa).

Qasa chief executive Ari Seirlis said government and the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) had promised the disabled an exemption, but never implemented this promise as legislation.

According to the newspaper, the group arrived at the centre in Johannesburg on Tuesday to apply for tags that would ensure they would not be charged for using the freeways.

The group was told by the centre's manager Ali Ndou that there were only exemptions for drivers associated with public transport.

"We've been burnt by Sanral...We (Qasa) had tried to consult with them even as late as last week, and we have still not had a response," Seirlis was quoted saying.

The crowed then protested outside the centre. They set a wheelchair on fire and reportedly shouted: "e-tolls tax the poorest of the poor" and "e-tolls will paralyse us."


Source : Sapa /lk/aa/jje
Date : 04 Dec 2013 08:27
 
“There was no attempt from the office of the president to react to this or to answer urgent questions about the constitutionality of the Act.

And again old Zoomer gives the country and the legal system the middle finger..... must be nice to be above the law...
 
I'm trying to figure out why Sanral is so adamant that users register and get e-tags, although it's not compulsory. There must be a glitch somewhere in their system.

We should have a prize for whom ever figures it out.

Why not ask the local hacking community to look into it.
There is a glitch or a flaw... I suspect.... I haven't had time to work on it. But I will.
 
Maybe they want to do some more Big Brother on us, that's why they would love us to have an e-tag
Indeed they do... they are a government, no different than the United States, they all get their jollies from seeing what their subjects do, instead of doing the job they were appointed to do.
 
They were reportedly members of the QuadPara Association SA (Qasa)

Yoh 4 of em!! Hahahahaha....

But all jokes aside. I do not see why paraplegic people should be treated any differently than us. They always make an effort to show that they are equal. So this exclusion should be for us all!!

DOWN WITH THE TOLLS AND cANCer!!!
 
Yoh 4 of em!! Hahahahaha....

But all jokes aside. I do not see why paraplegic people should be treated any differently than us. They always make an effort to show that they are equal. So this exclusion should be for us all!!

DOWN WITH THE TOLLS AND cANCer!!!

Lol. You know **** just got real when the paraplegic burn a wheelchair!
 
DJ....

You were speaking about maintenance cost in your video. I see in this article that the maintenance of the infrastructure is apparently included in that R0.17. Not sure what kind of maintenance they plan on doing with that, most probably just to paint the gantries seeing as roads now cost R500m per kilometer.....:whistle:

"The 17c covers all the costs associated with collecting tolls including salaries, bank transaction costs, toll infrastructure maintenance costs, telecommunications costs, postage costs, municipal rates and taxes, incurred by ETC-the South African firm appointed by Sanral to manage e-tolling," said Sanral general manager for Communications, Vusi Mona.

http://www.news24.com/Technology/News/Prominent-South-Africans-reject-e-tolls-on-Twitter-20131203
 
DJ....

You were speaking about maintenance cost in your video. I see in this article that the maintenance of the infrastructure is apparently included in that R0.17. Not sure what kind of maintenance they plan on doing with that, most probably just to paint the gantries seeing as roads now cost R500m per kilometer.....:whistle:

No, that's toll infrastructure maintenance costs, not road infrastructure maintenance at all. And yes, that's just to keep the gantries up and running. ETC have no involvement in the road maintenance whatsoever. They are only involved in the actual toll part of things...
 
I actually listened to the argument and it does make sense that they are exempt (or under certain disability anyway).

Disabled people cant use public transport (blind people, people with wheelchairs etc)

Some disabled people rely on lifts as some of them cant drive. Being exempt was obviously 1st prize, but they also want to be able to move their E-tag from one car to another - seeing that they get driven around by different people.

Those are the 2 I can remember...
 
I actually listened to the argument and it does make sense that they are exempt (or under certain disability anyway).

Disabled people cant use public transport (blind people, people with wheelchairs etc)

Some disabled people rely on lifts as some of them cant drive. Being exempt was obviously 1st prize, but they also want to be able to move their E-tag from one car to another - seeing that they get driven around by different people.

Those are the 2 I can remember...

I heard the same argument on the radio this morning. I tend to agree with you there and I see no reason why they should't be exempt. SANRAL say their systems are not capable of this. Go figure...
 
Some disabled people rely on lifts as some of them cant drive. Being exempt was obviously 1st prize, but they also want to be able to move their E-tag from one car to another - seeing that they get driven around by different people.

We should all be able to do that. Why should we buy and manage two or four or seven accounts per household when one will be enough if managed internally to the household. Not that I'm planning on getting an e-tag.

Any updates on whether we have to agree to the T&C before we can pay? Not that I'm planning to pay.
 
But they can identity cars by means of unique dents and scratches? :wtf: :confused:

I would very much doubt that.

I would guess they have the bare minimum OCR capabilities which will work off the number plate and thats it.
 
Buy three e-tags. Register one. Use a different one each day of the week. Dispute every single transaction on the basis that someone has cloned your numberplate...:D
 
I would very much doubt that.

I would guess they have the bare minimum OCR capabilities which will work off the number plate and thats it.

I second that.... The resolution of the photos I have seen are not great.
I am also hearing BS stories that they can read the licence disc... I would kill for a camera that can do that... none of my expensive cameras can even manage that so WTF.
 
Buy three e-tags. Register one. Use a different one each day of the week. Dispute every single transaction on the basis that someone has cloned your numberplate...:D
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahaha you're funny

One numberplate (ie one vehicle) would then be reading 5 different tag IDs each week.
That would seriously **** with the system... Well done!
 
Buy three e-tags. Register one. Use a different one each day of the week. Dispute every single transaction on the basis that someone has cloned your numberplate...:D

Now we're talking. As a developer though - I would have a red flag for every time a numberplate and tag don't match.
Mind you - the system was written by Gijima. I've fixed enough of their messes to know that is not the case here.
 
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