The LONMIN share price thread

I'm a bit miffed @ easy equities at the moment, made an substantial credit card deposit on Monday morning, however due to some unknown error on their website during the "verification" process the funds never got allocated to my account, but was deducted from my credit card.

Been trying since then to get it back.......still waiting for further feedback.
 
I'm a bit miffed @ easy equities at the moment, made an substantial credit card deposit on Monday morning, however due to some unknown error on their website during the "verification" process the funds never got allocated to my account, but was deducted from my credit card.

Been trying since then to get it back.......still waiting for further feedback.

Weird, I pay, send prrof of payment, 30 mins later I get a email saying funds allocated.
 
So when do we buy, today if it drops further, or Monday after rights have been exercised?
 
The rights issue is difficult, becuase at the 1 side massive amounts of new shares will be dumped onto the market diluting our share's value

But at the same time all those massive amounts of shares are already paid for so the company's market cap rises making it a more expensive company.
 
In essence it's a HUGE gamble

DAILY VALUE MOVE
(R 8 404.29)
 
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The rights issue is difficult, becuase at the 1 side massive amounts of new shares will be dumped onto the market diluting our share's value

But at the same time all those massive amounts of shares are already paid for so the company's market cap rises making it a more expensive company.

Not sure that makes sense.

The Rights issues are brand new shares on LONN so shouldn't affect LON at all.

But not sure if that means LON buggers off completely?
 
LONN? Is that UK based shares?

I'm not exactly sure how it works, but if you look carefully you'll see the Rights Shares are LONN not LON.

Maybe someone with actual know how can explain why that is.
 
Not sure that makes sense.

The Rights issues are brand new shares on LONN so shouldn't affect LON at all.

But not sure if that means LON buggers off completely?

New shares get flooded onto the market that is the essence of this.

Supply goes up, lowering price.

But these shares are already bought when they get released so theoretically the supply stays the same, but the companies value goes up by $407m

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How Rights Issues Work
So, how do rights issues work? The best way to explain is through an example.

Let's say you own 1,000 shares in Wobble Telecom, each of which is worth $5.50. The company is in a bit of financial trouble and sorely needs to raise cash to cover its debt obligations. Wobble therefore announces a rights offering, in which it plans to raise $30 million by issuing 10 million shares to existing investors at a price of $3 each. But this issue is a three-for-10 rights issue. In other words, for every 10 shares you hold, Wobble is offering you another three at a deeply discounted price of $3. This price is 45% less than the $5.50 price at which Wobble stock trades. (For further reading, see Understanding Stock Splits.)

As a shareholder, you essentially have three options when considering what to do in response to the rights issue. You can (1) subscribe to the rights issue in full, (2) ignore your rights or (3) sell the rights to someone else. Here we look how to pursue each option, and the possible outcomes.

1. Take up the rights to purchase in full
To take advantage of the rights issue in full, you would need to spend $3 for every Wobble share that you are entitled to under the issue. As you hold 1,000 shares, you can buy up to 300 new shares (three shares for every 10 you already own) at this discounted price of $3, giving a total price of $900.

However, while the discount on the newly issued shares is 45%, it will not stay there. The market price of Wobble shares will not be able to stay at $5.50 after the rights issue is complete. The value of each share will be diluted as a result of the increased number of shares issued. To see if the rights issue does in fact give a material discount, you need to estimate how much Wobble's share price will be diluted.

In estimating this dilution, remember that you can never know for certain the future value of your expanded holding of the shares, since it can be affected by any number of business and market factors. But the theoretical share price that will result after the rights issue is complete - which is the ex-rights share price - is possible to calculate. This price is found by dividing the total price you will have paid for all your Wobble shares by the total number of shares you will own. This is calculated as follows:

1,000 existing shares at $5.50 = $5,500
300 new shares for cash at $3 = $900
Value of 1,300 shares = $6,400
Ex-rights value per share = $4.92 ($6,400.00/1,300 shares)

So, in theory, as a result of the introduction of new shares at the deeply discounted price, the value of each of your existing shares will decline from $5.50 to $4.92. But remember, the loss on your existing shareholding is offset exactly by the gain in share value on the new rights: the new shares cost you $3, but they have a market value of $4.92. These new shares are taxed in the same year as you purchased the original shares, and carried forward to count as investment income, but there is no interest or other tax penalties charged on this carried-forward, taxable investment income.

2. Ignore the rights issue
You may not have the $900 to purchase the additional 300 shares at $3 each, so you can always let your rights expire. But this is not normally recommended. If you choose to do nothing, your shareholding will be diluted thanks to the extra shares issued.

3 Sell your rights to other investors
In some cases, rights are not transferable. These are known as "non-renounceable rights". But in most cases, your rights allow you to decide whether you want to take up the option to buy the shares or sell your rights to other investors or to the underwriter. Rights that can be traded are called "renounceable rights", and after they have been traded, the rights are known as "nil-paid rights".

To determine how much you may gain by selling the rights, you need to estimate a value on the nil-paid rights ahead of time. Again, a precise number is difficult, but you can get a rough value by taking the value of ex-rights price and subtracting the rights issue price. So, at the adjusted ex-rights price of $4.92 less $3, your nil-paid rights are worth $1.92 per share. Selling these rights will create a capital gain for you.



Read more: Understanding Rights Issues http://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/05/062905.asp#ixzz3tFd1DEcK
 
LONN? Is that UK based shares?

those are the rights shares, that get converted into normal LON shares if you buy them for R0.01 at this stage and pay the R0.214/right for conversion to LON - so in effect they cost R0.224/LON in the end
 
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