The Meditators Thread

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I thought it would be nice to have a thread were those of us who meditate could have a place to compare notes, ask questions, discuss techniques etc.

All traditions welcome but, no religious proselytising or debate please.

I'll start with my meditation story: I started meditating about 7 years ago after reading a book called Zen living for Dummies or something. Something in it just clicked with me. Stuff like how circumstances aren't inherently good or bad. We make them good or bad depending on how we choose to see turn and react to them.
Anyway, I started meditating for 2 or 3 minutes at a time which at that stage was a bit of a strain. Sitting still and essentially doing nothing but counting breaths was very weird for me at the time. I've the next few months I built it up to 20 or so. In retrospect I made pretty good progress. I was massively more calm and less angry. I was actually joyful at times. I got to a point where I felt I could sit through anything. Discomfort and pain, noisy neighbors and barking dogs, stress and depression. Then, because of a personal tragedy it just became too emotionally painful to meditate. From there I sort of regressed.
Anyway, since then I've gone through stages of regular practice, irregular practice and no practice. Right now I've been practicing more or less consistently for a few months.
Mostly my practice has been Soto Zen basic. Focusing on posture and counting and following breaths. I know a lot of people from other traditions see Zen as overly mystical and at the same time overly simplistic but, having tried Vipisanna and a Tibetan compassion technique whose name I can't remember I've got to say, just sitting and concentrating on the breath will steer you in the right direction. A lot of techniques happen instinctively. It probably comes down to temperament.

I hope I haven't been to obscure or rambling.
 
Going straight for Zen is like going from grade 1 straight to matric.


Zen is the final level of self mastery, but if you haven't mastered the other levels, then what's the point?
It's like being able to do calculus without having learned to read.

Mastery of mind and body
direction of energy...
Healing of self and others

These are the first 3 levels...
Zen... is the 10th one.

There is a reason Samurai only become poets after many years of being warriors.
 
Going straight for Zen is like going from grade 1 straight to matric.


Zen is the final level of self mastery, but if you haven't mastered the other levels, then what's the point?
It's like being able to do calculus without having learned to read.

Mastery of mind and body
direction of energy...
Healing of self and others

These are the first 3 levels...
Zen... is the 10th one.

There is a reason Samurai only become poets after many years of being warriors.

Zen is a school or sect of Buddhism. Do you actually think you know what you're talking about our are you just trolling?
 
I thought it would be nice to have a thread were those of us who meditate could have a place to compare notes, ask questions, discuss techniques etc.

All traditions welcome but, no religious proselytising or debate please.

I'll start with my meditation story: I started meditating about 7 years ago after reading a book called Zen living for Dummies or something. Something in it just clicked with me. Stuff like how circumstances aren't inherently good or bad. We make them good or bad depending on how we choose to see turn and react to them.
Anyway, I started meditating for 2 or 3 minutes at a time which at that stage was a bit of a strain. Sitting still and essentially doing nothing but counting breaths was very weird for me at the time. I've the next few months I built it up to 20 or so. In retrospect I made pretty good progress. I was massively more calm and less angry. I was actually joyful at times. I got to a point where I felt I could sit through anything. Discomfort and pain, noisy neighbors and barking dogs, stress and depression. Then, because of a personal tragedy it just became too emotionally painful to meditate. From there I sort of regressed.
Anyway, since then I've gone through stages of regular practice, irregular practice and no practice. Right now I've been practicing more or less consistently for a few months.
Mostly my practice has been Soto Zen basic. Focusing on posture and counting and following breaths. I know a lot of people from other traditions see Zen as overly mystical and at the same time overly simplistic but, having tried Vipisanna and a Tibetan compassion technique whose name I can't remember I've got to say, just sitting and concentrating on the breath will steer you in the right direction. A lot of techniques happen instinctively. It probably comes down to temperament.

I hope I haven't been to obscure or rambling.

You have motivated me, especially with the part about being less angry, I somehow need to manage that. I have been reading up recently on Non-dualism and there's some similarities here.

How do you keep your mind from wandering however, is it a concerted effort or what?
 
Going straight for Zen is like going from grade 1 straight to matric.


Zen is the final level of self mastery, but if you haven't mastered the other levels, then what's the point?
It's like being able to do calculus without having learned to read.

Mastery of mind and body
direction of energy...
Healing of self and others

These are the first 3 levels...
Zen... is the 10th one.

There is a reason Samurai only become poets after many years of being warriors.

Aaah i've seen that movie, the one with Tom Cruise, he didnt become a warrior though, he became dead I think
 
Going straight for Zen is like going from grade 1 straight to matric.


Zen is the final level of self mastery, but if you haven't mastered the other levels, then what's the point?
It's like being able to do calculus without having learned to read.

Mastery of mind and body
direction of energy...
Healing of self and others

These are the first 3 levels...
Zen... is the 10th one.

There is a reason Samurai only become poets after many years of being warriors.
Did you just make this BS up?
 
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I thought it would be nice to have a thread were those of us who meditate could have a place to compare notes, ask questions, discuss techniques etc.

All traditions welcome but, no religious proselytising or debate please.

I'll start with my meditation story: I started meditating about 7 years ago after reading a book called Zen living for Dummies or something. Something in it just clicked with me. Stuff like how circumstances aren't inherently good or bad. We make them good or bad depending on how we choose to see turn and react to them.
Anyway, I started meditating for 2 or 3 minutes at a time which at that stage was a bit of a strain. Sitting still and essentially doing nothing but counting breaths was very weird for me at the time. I've the next few months I built it up to 20 or so. In retrospect I made pretty good progress. I was massively more calm and less angry. I was actually joyful at times. I got to a point where I felt I could sit through anything. Discomfort and pain, noisy neighbors and barking dogs, stress and depression. Then, because of a personal tragedy it just became too emotionally painful to meditate. From there I sort of regressed.
Anyway, since then I've gone through stages of regular practice, irregular practice and no practice. Right now I've been practicing more or less consistently for a few months.
Mostly my practice has been Soto Zen basic. Focusing on posture and counting and following breaths. I know a lot of people from other traditions see Zen as overly mystical and at the same time overly simplistic but, having tried Vipisanna and a Tibetan compassion technique whose name I can't remember I've got to say, just sitting and concentrating on the breath will steer you in the right direction. A lot of techniques happen instinctively. It probably comes down to temperament.

I hope I haven't been to obscure or rambling.

Is this the title? The Complete Idiot's Guide to Zen Living
 
Zen is a school or sect of Buddhism. Do you actually think you know what you're talking about our are you just trolling?

I know what I know...
What you know is what you know...

But what I do know... you can't attain "Zen" by reading a book and attending a seminar...

Did you just make this BS up?

Nope... Some Japanese guys did about 600 years ago.

Aaah i've seen that movie, the one with Tom Cruise, he didnt become a warrior though, he became dead I think

THAT movie was loosely based around James Clavell's "Shogun"... very loosely...

In that movie... the guy took the time to internalize Japanese culture.

Read the book... It's a masterful tale weaving through a semi-factual period in Japan's history where Tokugawa united the warring factions of Japan and became the land's first "Shogun".

Brings an interesting western perspective to the Japanese way of life.
 
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How do you keep your mind from wandering however, is it a concerted effort or what?

Different schools of thought. For me, as an angry type, concentrating as if I had a gun to my head has a magical effect.
 
How do you keep your mind from wandering however, is it a concerted effort or what?
You don't keep your mind from wandering, you observe your wandering mind with detachment and gently bring your focus back to the point (whatever it is you're focusing on, your breath or a candle flame etc). Of course there are many kinds of meditation. Some to focus the mind and some to empty it.
 
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You don't keep your mind from wandering, you observe your wandering mind with detachment.

This is what made me start this thread. I've been following a Vipasinna(sp?) course for a month or so and that's what I've been getting it. They say you need to balance focus with awareness. But, to be honest with you, I find that for me concentrating as though my life depends on it is what the doctor ordered. Lack of awareness is not always the problem. Sometimes it's lack of focus. I get the feeling that for some, myself included, too much instruction is counter productive. It's like, having tried a different path for a while has made me realise that the path I was already on works better for me.
I'm not selling one approach over the other, I'm just saying it can't hurt to try different things and find out what works for you.
 
This is why we can't have nice things...

I try and offer MY advice and MY experience... and you's two's think that YOU are the only right people on earth. Because you read a book titled: "The Idiot's Guide to Zen"

I wasn't being confrontational... nor was I mocking or condescending...

How can one be offered tea if his cup is already full?
If that sounds cheesy... it's because you already know everything.


I have many years of meditation experience ranging from prayer, martial arts, experimenting and traveling.

What I have learned is that one cannot remain so stagnant in their ideas as to not accept wisdom in the way of others do things even if their way is contradictory to yours.

If you want to sit and clear your mind and think you've attained a state of Zen... then GO AHEAD! And I'm sure you'll feel better.

But the true essence of Zen... is SELF MASTERY
Meaning mind, body and soul...

I wish you good luck in your endeavours.
 
Control of the body and the mind is the cornerstone of all meditations. If you can't sit still then you'd have a hard time detaching the mind and the senses...
 
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