the men who made us fat- BBC documentary

[Syphonx]

There is a follow up series called The Men Who Made Us Thin

 

[StrontiumDog]

Some of the comments on this thread remind me of this April Fools joke

:erm: How about you guys actually watch the documentary before making comments on what you think it's about?

[video=youtube;E6nGlLUBkOQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6nGlLUBkOQ[/video]

 

[noxibox]

An equal calorific value of carbohydrates will cause more weight gain than an equal calorific value of fat. Google insulin spikes, what causes them, and what they do.

Summarized version - when your body digests carbohydrates, insulin is released into the bloodstream. The effect of this insulin causes the glucose in your bloodstream to be converted and stored as fat.

Eating fat does not trigger an insulin response, which is why the same calorific value of fat will cause less weight gain than carbohydrates.

If you'd really searched for the term then you'd know that what really happens is that some people who have too high a percentage of carbohydrates in their diet consume more food than they need. You'd also know that the insulin response is not required to store dietary fat as body fat. It is not a case of one type of diet leading to weight gain when the calorie content is identical and matching daily requirements. Only excess is stored as fat, and eating excess fat instead of carbohydrates won't help. In the case of protein it is just extremely hard to eat too much.

is totally free from blame?

Entirely.

 

[noxibox]

I didn't notice blame? Just a doccie about portions getting bigger and bigger -people too.

You missed the title it appears.

 

[Sherbang]

It doesn't help when you have the local government actively promoting junk food either.http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/why-burger-king-got-key-to-city-1.1530527#.U04PHHNBvqA

 

[Nick333]

It doesn't help when you have the local government actively promoting junk food either.http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/why-burger-king-got-key-to-city-1.1530527#.U04PHHNBvqA

"Junk food" is a BS term. Bread, meat, dairy and vegetables are real food. In the form of a burger and chips they are a high carb meal but there is no reason why you can't get the bulk of your carbs in one meal. In fact calling real food "junk" is almost criminally irresponsible.

 

[Sherbang]

"Junk food" is a BS term. Bread, meat, dairy and vegetables are real food. In the form of a burger and chips they are a high carb meal but there is no reason why you can't get the bulk of your carbs in one meal. In fact calling real food "junk" is almost criminally irresponsible.

not to mention their bottomless soda's. But if you're happy to support obesity and diabetes, nothing I can do about that

 

[RazedInBlack]

On Youtube it show three parts. Each about an hour long. Yes?

 

[cerebus]

Yip typical BBC BS.

Always is a victim and never responsible. If you're not responsible for yourself somebody else is and that's the nanny state bureaucrat who gains all the power that comes with the responsibility.

If you create a culture where people can access pre-made food at prices comparable to supermarket cost of fresh fruit and vegetables, and you load that food with sugars and addicting ingredients, and spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising it, there's surely some element of blame somewhere.

Yes, the people became fat because they chose to eat fast food rather than cooking and monitoring their own diets, but willpower is a scarce and easily manipulated resource; and all of the societal pressures fall on the side of more and easier consumption rather than health promotion.

 

[Nick333]

not to mention their bottomless soda's. But if you're happy to support obesity and diabetes, nothing I can do about that

You can buy a soda anywhere. Boycott everyone. Sorry, it's obviously just businesses that supply products cheaply you have a problem with.

Funny how cheap, high carb, high fructose meals and foods have been available for the better part of a century yet, obesity and diabetes have only become massive problems in the last decade or so. Must be evil big business and their insidious marketing. It couldn't be the increasingly sedentary and stressful lifestyles people are leading. It's funny how people will look for villains when the alternative is to accept responsibility themselves. It doesn't hurt when you can vilify anyone associated with the industry I suppose.

 

[Nick333]

If you create a culture where people can access pre-made food at prices comparable to supermarket cost of fresh fruit and vegetables, and you load that food with sugars and addicting ingredients, and spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising it, there's surely some element of blame somewhere.

Yes, the people became fat because they chose to eat fast food rather than cooking and monitoring their own diets, but willpower is a scarce and easily manipulated resource; and all of the societal pressures fall on the side of more and easier consumption rather than health promotion.

Lol. Do you honestly think the cheese burger was designed by evil geniuses to addict the masses?

 

[cerebus]

Lol. Do you honestly think the cheese burger was designed by evil geniuses to addict the masses?

How did you get that from what I said? There's no fast food cabal at work. I love fast food, in moderation. I mean that the forces of capitalism, and the financial incentives that work into that, play against the prone-to-obesity (or weak-willed, or something like that) - in a similar way to how credit traps prey on the poor, they're the ones who got themselves into that kind of trouble; but the forces that worked to get them there could have been mitigated by societal interventions.

 

[maumau]

There is a follow up series called The Men Who Made Us Thin

cool, thanks for this.

 

[maumau]

You missed the title it appears.

There is a follow up series called The Men Who Made Us Thin

so this one's complimenting?

 

[maumau]

On Youtube it show three parts. Each about an hour long. Yes?

that's the one Razed, Jacques Peretti.

 

[Bellerophon86]

Watched episode 1 of 'The Men who made us fat' and it's pretty good. I watched the doc 'Hungry for change' and that gives an overview of how manufacturing got to this point (increase in corn production, use of high fructose corn syrup in foods and then the 'fight' against obesity by removing fats from food and replacing them with sugar). 'The men who made us fat' shows you how/when this took place, really interesting. Watching episode 2 this evening.

 

[Nick333]

How did you get that from what I said? There's no fast food cabal at work. I love fast food, in moderation. I mean that the forces of capitalism, and the financial incentives that work into that, play against the poor - in a similar way to credit traps, they're the ones who got themselves into that kind of trouble; but the forces that worked to get them there could have been mitigated by societal interventions.

Saying things like :

and you load that food with sugars and addicting ingredients, and spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising it, there's surely some element of blame somewhere.

really does sound as if fast food companies research what ingredients were most addictive and consciously increase the contents of those ingredients instead of just selling foods that happen to popular because they happen to contain those foods.

I wouldn't compare what the fast food industry to what credit companies do if allowed to. Fast food companies merely supply products that people want cheaply and efficiently. You can eat just as unhealthily at home and probably would if you had to. Everything in a McMeal can be bought in the super market. The belief that if people were forced to cook at home they would cook healthy is a very big assumption to make. If people generally preferred healthy food the fast food industry would be making millions of relatively cheap and plentiful healthy foods.

When it comes to credit on the other hand you can't into credit trouble without someone extending the credit in the first place.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Nutritional value has little to do with obesity. It's either you eat too much, or you don't.

Derp. Certainly, water and fibre (i.e. everything expelled by the body) would not cause weight gain, but everything else does. It's simple physics.

Both of these comments reflect a huge oversimplification of the situation.

The human body is a very complex thing and you are defining this very complex thing in terms so simplistic that all meaning is lost.

You're not wrong but you're pretty far from specifically correct.

 

[cerebus]

Saying things like :
really does sound as if fast food companies research what ingredients were most addictive and consciously increase the contents of those ingredients instead of just selling foods that happen to popular because they happen to contain those foods.

I would imagine that some kind of process like this does happen. At least, I don't have a hard time conceiving of meetings in the McDonald's r&d where they scrutinize the consumption behavior of their customers in order to figure out how to maximise profitability by tweaking their ingredients. There's a clear profit motive to do so. The whole super-sizing concept is about upselling by offering a larger portion of the exact items (fries, soft drinks) that promote obesity. Nobody conspired to create obese consumers, but you can bet they didn't lose much sleep over the potential consequences of pushing shocking portions of glucose and hydrogenated deep fried fats loaded with salt onto people.

I wouldn't compare what the fast food industry to what credit companies do if allowed to. Fast food companies merely supply products that people want cheaply and efficiently. You can eat just as unhealthily at home and probably would if you had to. Everything in a McMeal can be bought in the super market. The belief that if people were forced to cook at home they would cook healthy is a very big assumption to make.

We cook at home 95% of the time, and yes it tends to be healthier just by the nature of un-prepackaged recipes.

If people generally preferred healthy food the fast food industry would be making millions of relatively cheap and plentiful healthy foods.

As I said, willpower is a limited resource and it's not hard to break it down by simply offering a choice; like say, $.30 to supersize. People are easily manipulated.

 

[RazedInBlack]

that's the one Razed, Jacques Peretti.

Thanks maumau, gonna get it tonight.