The Panama Papers thread

... hence ... ZH ... large pinch of salt ;)

... anyways ... time to gap it home ... got some reading to do
Has nothing to do with ZH. I was skim-reading. And ICIJ + OCCRP (the one supported by USAID) both have Soros' foundation on the donor list. (And again, look at the history, Soros' has involved himself in plenty of geopolitical gambits. It wouldn't be the first time he was trying to undermine the people he views as his enemies...)
 
‘Goebbels had less-biased articles’: Public slams MSM for Putin focus after Panama papers leak

The world’s media has been pointing at one person following a massive documents leak from a Panama law firm. But that person, President Vladimir Putin, wasn’t even mentioned in the data leak. Sections of the public are not happy at the media coverage.

Pictures of President Putin could be found on the front pages of highly-respected news publications around the globe. The Guardian and the Mail Online were both at it, despite the fact that in the 11.5 million documents that were published; Putin’s name was not mentioned once.

Newspapers around the globe had plenty of world leaders to choose from: President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko managed to find his way on to the list, as did King Salman of Saudi Arabia. The father of British Prime Minister David Cameron was also among those mentioned. Despite these high-profile figures, the majority of the international media decided to accuse Putin of corruption. And even if the article itself was not about Putin, the cover picture suggested otherwise.

After several hours, Putin’s pictures were removed from the front pages of a number of top internet publications, such as the Guardian and the Independent, which could have been down to the storm of criticism on social media, at the hypocrisy of publishing the photo of someone who was not even named in the report.

https://www.rt.com/news/338338-panama-papers-putin-outrage/
 
Has nothing to do with ZH. I was skim-reading. And ICIJ + OCCRP (the one supported by USAID) both have Soros' foundation on the donor list. (And again, look at the history, Soros' has involved himself in plenty of geopolitical gambits. It wouldn't be the first time he was trying to undermine the people he views as his enemies...)

So the ZH claim in the link you sent me is clearly not accurate. It supported your view so you just sent it to me as "proof" of how the US government could be involved in information suppression
To the detriment of ZH, this is why a lot of people (me included) see their site as a tad hysterical and conspiratorial (is that even a word ?) and not just a little bit misleading

Can we get back to discussing Putin in the Putin thread now instead of deflecting to every other dodgy american fsker on the planet?
 
So the ZH claim in the link you sent me is clearly not accurate. It supported your view so you just sent it to me as "proof" of how the US government could be involved in information suppression
To the detriment of ZH, this is why a lot of people (me included) see their site as a tad hysterical and conspiratorial (is that even a word ?) and not just a little bit misleading

Can we get back to discussing Putin in the Putin thread now instead of deflecting to every other dodgy american fsker on the planet?
Please point out where the ZH article actually says that. Otherwise kindly accept that I was skim reading.
 
Ya sure, it's just that there's always the possibility for stats to be distorted.

And wow, people sure do take jokes seriously today @ buka001.
Oh ok sorry did not realise it was a joke, I mean people actually lost their lives over the incidents. Lets just laugh about it and stretch the truth to suite our narrative, after all its a joke, just tongue in cheek.
 
OK, let's say that I'm a greedy scumsucker and I was a part of this thing

Done...

and that's why I got my hands on the records

Reported as requested. You'll probably need a lawyer. I'd suggest these guys:

In an effort to free itself from the American court’s jurisdiction, Mossack Fonseca claimed that its Las Vegas office, MF Nevada, wasn’t in fact a branch office at all.

Tactical flippen genius...

So how's a reporter or anyone for that matter going to know if an account that's there speaking of an account that's not is because the record was deleted instead of the data being incomplete?

Yeah, Obama didn't fool me with that trick either. Well spotted.

Ask yourself something: if you want to launder money, where do you go? Correct, the laundromat. Who owns all of the laundromats in America? Yes, you're correct again, the Chinese. Who owes the most money to the Chinese? BINGO: Obama! Now why would he have to go to the laundromat that many times? And why didn't Interpol even investigate this guy after I emailed them all of this information on a plate? If you take the questions away and subtract the answers, it still doesn't add up, which is apparently a common symptom of dyslexia, which was first invented where? Yup, you guessed it: Benin. Which when spelled backwards is 9B. What is 9B? I suspect it's some sort of code or maybe even something else, like a chemical bomb, and that last option should scare everyone...

I mean, it's not like there won't be accounts referring to other accounts whose identity remains uncertain, no?

And why won't Obama answer all of the questions about 9B? What's in 9B? Did Obama maybe put a chemical bomb in 9B while everyone was watching Panama? Maybe. Maybe not. There's too many unanswered questions about Obama's 9B experiments.

What I do know for certain though is that beneficial share register analysis is really hard at the best of times, and they've made it even tougher to find Obama's name on these documents, as they refuse point blank to give me the originals even though I can prove that I can probably find his name on all of the copies. Why would they do this? What about 9B? Now there are probably hypothetically perfectly legitimate non-laundering transactions in there as well, hypothetically, right? If it is account code JZ69 then you found it and well done, and this is purely hypothetical, you must probably send it back if you know what's good for you, hypothetically. To get it back to the charity so I can give it to the children who have been looking everywhere for it and are crying, just do this hypothetically: "invest" in a company like BAT, who appoint a middleman called...let's just randomly call him Atul Totallynota Gupta, to "identify" suitable investments. Via their respective governments/presidents/ministers that they own, and under the auspices of a "state visit" they sign a "trade agreement" which either includes the pre-negotiated tax-free clauses, or once you're done with photo-evidence of the state visit, you meet with the representatives you're actually there to meet with to bend over and accept your instructions and then let me know what they are because I am lost here. The host government hypothetically, like, totally didn't arrange any of this for you, and the politicians probably aren't doing the same thing - pinkie-promise - nor do they have anything to gain from this, of course. Nor their families. This is for the children remember? If anybody stops you, just say you have a delivery for the children at number 1 and ask for Tom. Hypothetically.

If maybe you hear a story about things here, then you misunderstood. Remember the children. Let me explain. You see sometimes, when you read the book The Secret, and you really, really, really want to give a child a goldmine but don't have one, nor the money to do so and the child has zero experience running a mine, sometimes liquidators will just let you give it to your nephew hypothetically to try it out for a while. It happens nearly all of the time. It's also just a coincidence when, while everyone is distracted by how awesome your house is, a supercool group of people in New York who happen to have the equivalent in USD of a few billion Rand spare in a lawyer's trust account and who wish to remain anonymous, donate it to the Public Works department who coincidentally just so happen to be a few billion Rand short for a new road project that they just came up with on their own, that coincidentally just so happens to go straight outside your new supercool house. Naturally, Public Works appoint a very experienced 20 year old to oversee this entire project, and he registers the company at his friend's townhouse in a completely different province so his mom doesn't get angry, and manages the entire thing from there. Fortunately, she works at the Housing Development Agency and puts him in touch with some road-builders who completed the entire R50million project for only slightly over their "couple billion Rand" budget. For the children. And it worked out fine hypothetically, because everyone is still talking about that really pretty house. Who hasn't had this happen to them at least a couple times, right?Exactly.

But that's precisely the thing. I don't think anyone has the physical ability to pick up such an inconsistency in such a large dataset with any kind of haste.

Yup, nail meet head. Just look at the Google - they've been trying to solve this problem for literally a thousand years and have barely gotten anywhere, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't carry on trying to blame Obama at absolutely every single opportunity and implying that he's probably the reason for global warming, Speedos, and Hugh Grant movies...

I mean, George Soros has known associations with this group. He's obscenely rich and if rumour is correct he's quite proud of the fact that he got his start in life by prying gold fillings from his fellow Jews who had already died during the Holocaust.
Rumour is always correct when you need it to be, so never doubt it, unless it is wrong. I have even more evidence that Obama printed all of these documents, Tippexed out his name, and then leaked them, so prepare yourself: what is Soros spelled backwards? Yup, it's Soros, which sounds like Oros. Now name one place that the Oros man went to last week Tuesday at 11pm? Correct, Army Barracks! Who has the worst army in the whole world? OBAMA! What date and time were these documents first released? Yup, nobody knows and I can find no record of where Obama was around that date and time either. Was that perhaps the time he used to prepare the deadly 9B chemical bomb? I find it hard to think that he could have done it any other time. I think I've made my point...

And they found nothing of his yet?

Look, I know a lot of numbers, and according to the lady who comes around to my house to show me the order that they go in "I am making adequate progress, all things considered" and I agree with you with the very big number percentages that this is statistically impossible from a scientific perspective...

Now this is just conjecture, but I'm sure you can see that until we know the identity of the leaker, the nature of the information and its true intent remains an enigma.

I have faith in your investigative skills. To date you have never once failed to find Obama and blame America. Stay strong, comrade...
 
Has nothing to do with ZH. I was skim-reading. And ICIJ + OCCRP (the one supported by USAID) both have Soros' foundation on the donor list. (And again, look at the history, Soros' has involved himself in plenty of geopolitical gambits. It wouldn't be the first time he was trying to undermine the people he views as his enemies...)

bottom of the page as you pointed out:panamadisclosure.JPG
the link to Panama Papers disclosure site is to OCCRP ... they are not the "official" people who are publishing articles based on the leak .... that is ICIJ.... disingenuous to say the least
 
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This is the greatest parody ever of how Putin's groupies use circular "logic" and "reasoning" to obfuscate the topic at hand. Bravo good sir.

One of the first links on the Google search result for "panama papers usa" is a /r/conspiracy post titled "No Israel and USA citizens in Panama papers". The first post in that thread reveals the BS behind this claim with a link to http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.712497 which details 600 Israeli companies and 850 Israeli shareholders in the Panama Papers.

tl;dr if you assert that the lack of USA and/or Israeli companies and/or persons in the currently released information from the Panama Papers is due to a political bias, you are (a) lying (b) a stupid sack of s**t. Come back once you've perused all 2.6TB of the raw data and still can't find any USA companies/individuals.
 
Icelandic PM faces no confidence vote over Panama Papers disclosures

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...o-confidence-vote-panama-papers-wife-offshore

Iceland’s prime minister is under fierce pressure to step down after leaked documents showed his wife owned a secretive offshore company with a potentially multimillion-pound claim on the country’s collapsed banks – representing what opponents said was a major conflict of interest.

As opposition parties called a vote of no confidence in Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson for later this week, as many as 10,000 protesters – in a country of 330,000 – gathered outside parliament in central Reykjavik for an evening protest, chanting, banging drums and barricades, and blowing whistles. Some waved bananas, symbolising the belief of many that they were living in a banana republic.

“He’s just lost all credibility,” said Arntho Haldersson, a financial services consultant. “Our prime minister, hiding assets in offshore accounts … After all this country has been through, how can he possibly pretend to lead Iceland’s resurrection from the financial crisis? He should go.”

“He lied,” said Anna Mjöll Guðmundsdóttir, a tourism researcher. “These people, they say they’ve learned the lessons from what happened to us in 2008, but they’re still just hiding our money.” Tinna Laufey Ásgeirsdóttir, a university professor, agreed: “He’s not been forthright. If people had been informed of this they might have voted differently. The size of this demonstration shows how disappointed people are.”

Gunnpta Must Fall
 
Yes but Soros looks like a stand in actor for Emperor Palpatine?
 
Oh ok sorry did not realise it was a joke, I mean people actually lost their lives over the incidents. Lets just laugh about it and stretch the truth to suite our narrative, after all its a joke, just tongue in cheek.

Sounding like Piers Morgan tbh, standing on the graves of the dead to claim a moral high ground. Look at your feet dude, those are dead people you're standing on :p

The tongue-in-cheek statement you feel is so vile is mostly factually correct fyi, off-topic, but correct. Fact: the soyuz is the most reliable space launch vehicle known to mankind, it's overall record puts the shuttle to shame.

If you want some truly tasteless shuttle disaster jokes go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/328k9m/tasteless_space_shuttle_challenger_jokes/

Warning: given the lofty height of your high horse reading those jokes are likely to make your head explode :p
 
Over 3000 US companies are involved in the leaks.

Not at all surprising, but I had to dig to find mentions of the US and the "big three" that broke the story (from post#107) didn't mention it at all. Still haven't found actual naming & shaming type of info from the mainstream i.t.o. USA.

The most promising thing I saw was this claim:
Editor of Süddeutsche Zeitung responded to the lack of U.S. individuals in the documents, saying "Just wait for what is coming next"
 
Not at all surprising, but I had to dig to find mentions of the US and the "big three" that broke the story (from post#107) didn't mention it at all. Still haven't found actual naming & shaming type of info from the mainstream i.t.o. USA.

The most promising thing I saw was this claim:

Article that names and shames - http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...ding-a-bellevue-man-show-up-in-panama-papers/

Also a good investigation in how Americans are mainly using Mossack Fonsecca's competition - https://www.reddit.com/r/PanamaPapers/comments/4da8vr/my_preliminary_research_suggest_the_reason_we/

Here is another BBC article on an American (Marianna Olszewski): http://www.bbc.com/news/35956324
 
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the link to Panama Papers disclosure site is to OCCRP ... they are not the "official" people who are publishing articles based on the leak .... that is ICIJ.... disingenuous to say the least
Like I said, I was skim reading, I did admit that I made a mistake.

NONETHELESS, Soros' foundation does appear as a donor to the ICIJ.
 
I have faith in your investigative skills. To date you have never once failed to find Obama and blame America. Stay strong, comrade...
Well, I just lost faith in your brain.

Instead of attacking me for claiming something I did not actually say, can you look at the way the argument started and admit that the only thing that I bothered to defend was the notion that we don't know whether or not the papers are incomplete, and it would be nigh impossible to tell whether or not they're incomplete for various reasons.

I really cannot help that the ICIJ decided to stagger their releases and that they did so with geographical arrangements in mind. That's precisely the kind of thing I'm talking about.

It does not mean I'm accusing anyone of shenanigens.

Hint: Nobody blamed Obama. Nobody blamed Soros. The point was simply that until we know where the leak came from, we can't say the leak was impartial with any degree of confidence. Hell for all we know Putin linked it.

/sigh
 
Article that names and shames - http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-...ding-a-bellevue-man-show-up-in-panama-papers/

Also a good investigation in how Americans are mainly using Mossack Fonsecca's competition - https://www.reddit.com/r/PanamaPapers/comments/4da8vr/my_preliminary_research_suggest_the_reason_we/

Here is another BBC article on an American (Marianna Olszewski): http://www.bbc.com/news/35956324

Cheers for those links, that's more like it, although now I find my skepticism wondering why only small fry US names have been shared. I'll reserve judgement for a while at least, they took their potshot at the quintessential global bogeyman, now let's see what else this leak kicks up.

Saw Wikileaks tweeting / commenting and also basically asking why not give them the full source data so they can publish it unedited, that would be great to see. (not that I'll trawl through it really, but I expect some obsessive types will and reveal to us all what else they found)
 
Yes but Soros looks like a stand in actor for Emperor Palpatine?
Well, if you google Soros and Emporer Palpatine you get to this:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/03/13/emperor-or-spooky-dude/

So clearly I'm not the first person to think it. Not that his appearance actually matters in any way shape or form. The point there was that you can pick any arbitrary details about someone and make them appear nefarious. Apparently the fact that my descriptions were ridiculously over the top to show that I wasn't being serious failed. But then this is the internet, I suppose.
 
Cheers for those links, that's more like it, although now I find my skepticism wondering why only small fry US names have been shared. I'll reserve judgement for a while at least, they took their potshot at the quintessential global bogeyman, now let's see what else this leak kicks up.

Saw Wikileaks tweeting / commenting and also basically asking why not give them the full source data so they can publish it unedited, that would be great to see. (not that I'll trawl through it really, but I expect some obsessive types will and reveal to us all what else they found)

As you posted earlier, more is coming.
 
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