The SA Politics Thread Part 3

[BBSA]

It will very much depend on the level of "support" they receive...

A vote for ASA is a potentially avenue for the EFF to weasel into some element of power given how ASA do seem to tend towards trying to get them included in coalitions.

Valid point, I just don't see a better alternative.

 

[wingnut771]

Same.

I don't get how people think "OH NO, DA RIGHT WING NOW". The DA just moved from centre-left to centre post-Maimane (You'll notice a lot of times that it's the Maimane stans and other opponents who insist on this).

Yes, a UF coalition.

With Mashaba sitting riiiiiight at the back bench. Don't want the power to go straight to his head.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Valid point, I just don't see a better alternative.

So if the choice is for voters to vote ANC or ASA... I'd say choose ASA any day of the week without a doubt...

I'm just not sold on ASA being a viable long term party at this point, and theyve done things that are more than enough for them to never get my vote.

 

[Galactica]

This only tells one side of the story and conveniently leaves out a few other facts.

• So the first one is that we do not have a accurate estimate how much farm is owned by whom. So the 79% is very speculative. It also neglect to state how much farmland is held by the state.
• It does not take into account the land claims that was settle with payouts rather than land. If money was not an option it would be a totally different %, much higher.
• It also does not state that in very few cases where land was given pack the recipients was able to make a success of farming. In the majority of the cases thriving farms was turned into wastelands with assets stripped.
• Lastly no "black people" lived in the WC (the winelands) when the Europeans arrived so very few legit claims plus you need serious money to venture down that path.

 

[BBSA]

So if the choice is for voters to vote ANC or ASA... I'd say choose ASA any day of the week without a doubt...

I'm just not sold on ASA being a viable long term party at this point, and theyve done things that are more than enough for them to never get my vote.

Yes, I will also not vote ASA.

The problem is many blacks will not vote DA no matter what because it is perceived as a white party. That is why I think it is good that we have an alternative for them.

 

[ToxicBunny]

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So instead of posting these sorts of things, provide the evidence that they were in the area when the settlers landed.

Nobody (other than possibly the ANC) denies that the Cape area was inhabited, but by the Khoisan not the Zulu/Xhosa/other groupings.

 

[wingnut771]

So if the choice is for voters to vote ANC or ASA... I'd say choose ASA any day of the week without a doubt...

I'm just not sold on ASA being a viable long term party at this point, and theyve done things that are more than enough for them to never get my vote.

They flip flop just like EFF, maybe that's why they like them so much?

 

[Agent67]

DA no matter what is perceived as a white party.

Sadly, many people have bought into that lie.

As the famous quote says:

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

 

[wingnut771]

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You would still be rubbing sticks together to make fire if not for them so what's your problem?

Which number does that fall under?

 

[wingnut771]

Sadly, many people have bought into that lie.

As the famous quote says:

That's why these upcoming marches are so important. A picture paints a thousand words.

 

[BBSA]

Sadly, many people have bought into that lie.

As the famous quote says:

Probably because of our past, but still sad that people can not get past skin colour after all these years.

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627598070014791681

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627589282193080321

To those who are concerned about the tents in CPT.

 

[Nom Chompsky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627611399487729664

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627416974224506882

Seconded.

 

[wingnut771]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627589282193080321

To those who are concerned about the tents in CPT.

Does that include the ones living on the train tracks?

Does that order say they have to be relocated to alternative accommodation?

What's stopping the next batch looking for a free ride?

 

[Agent67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627612975795257344

Interesting, DA supports BIG but the BIG must be conditional. Everything else is part of the budget they do/give on Wednesday.

 

[Agent67]

Does that include the ones living on the train tracks?

I guess? /shrug

Does that order say they have to be relocated to alternative accommodation?

The municipality insisted it had done everything it could to help people get off the streets, but that not everyone accepted assistance.

Mayor Geordin Hill-Lewis said they were expecting a final order to be granted in April.
"No person has the right to reserve a public space as exclusively theirs while indefinitely refusing all offers of shelter and social assistance. The city is working to add 420 more shelter beds to safe spaces in the CBD, with a R77 million budget for care interventions to help people off the street this year alone."

Not explicitly in the order. But they plan to do it anyway. That's how I see it anyway.

 

[The_Librarian]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1627589282193080321

To those who are concerned about the tents in CPT.

When they tried to remove the land invaders in the Mnandi area, the highway got blocked, and a couple of houses and a school got torched.

 

[The_Librarian]

#LootfreelyHouseMarches