The Sandy Hook Elementary School Shootings

Fudzy said:
Well that probably was the original intention of the person who bought the guns in this incident.
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Lets try this scenario. Lets say that we knew he was criminally insane and that we had gun laws (as you are advocating). However his mother might be a gun owner and she is completely sane and authorised. Then what might have him from stealing the guns from his mom?
 
Nicodeamus said:
Lets try this scenario. Lets say that we knew he was criminally insane and that we had gun laws (as you are advocating). However his mother might be a gun owner and she is completely sane and authorised. Then what might have him from stealing the guns from his mom?
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Yeah it's a tricky one, essentially the mother should be charged for not keeping the guns in a safe location.

EDIT: Okay, I see the mom was the first victim. Tough school fees.
 
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Fudzy said:
Yeah it's a tricky one, essentially the mother should be charged for not keeping the guns in a safe location.
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I agree, but it wouldn't have stopped the killings.

I would have support a law that can keep the gun owner liable if we can prove that he knew his victim was criminally insane when he sold him weapons. However it would be hard to prove.
 
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OrbitalDawn said:
So you'd be in favour of people being allowed to legally purchase grenade launchers and RPGs?
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as long as they do not have the intentions of killing people with it, for collector items and so forth.

The dangers of prohibition of guns in my opinion outweighs the arguments which wishes to justify it.
 
BigBullBully said:
Wow, typed out a whole rant then realised it was pointless, trying to make people understand that guns are not the problem on this forum really is pointless, but I tell you what, go ahead, make all the rules and restrictions you want, you will eventually realise none of them keep you safe because criminals/psychopaths do not follow your rules.
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Citizens with semi automatic and automatic weapons are the problem.

You can't fix the people so how about not arming them ?
 
Nicodeamus said:
as long as they do not have the intentions of killing people with it, for collector items and so forth.

The dangers of prohibition of guns in my opinion outweighs the arguments which wishes to justify it.
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Seriously? No issue with civilians having grenade launchers and RPGs? What about tanks, or landmines, or rockets? I can think of recreational uses for all of them.
 
Seriously? No issue with civilians having grenade launchers and RPGs? What about tanks, or landmines, or rockets? I can think of recreational uses for all of them.
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Why stop there.

Surely they should be allowed to experiment with depleted uranium and a little sarin.
 
daveza said:
Why stop there.

Surely they should be allowed to experiment with depleted uranium and a little sarin.
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now we got to the reality that they are so damm expensive. Any 2nd year physics student knows how to make an Atomic bomb, in fact you can find the information on the internet about it. However good luck in trying to afford it.
 
The mother of Newtown school massacre gunman Adam Lanza was a survivalist who was stockpiling food because she thought the world economy was on the verge of collapse.

Nancy Lanza began hoarding such items because she feared that the financial crisis was going to bring about the end of civilized society.
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Where do they get this nonsense from ?!
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/von-meyer-indiana-school-guns_n_2311717.html



CEDAR LAKE, Ind. -- A northern Indiana man who allegedly threatened to "kill as many people as he could" at an elementary school near his home was arrested by officers who later found 47 guns and ammunition hidden throughout his home.

Von. I. Meyer, 60, of Cedar Lake, was arrested Saturday after prosecutors filed formal charges of felony intimidation, domestic battery and resisting law enforcement against him. He was being held Sunday without bond at the Lake County Jail, pending an initial hearing on the charges, police said in a statement.

Cedar Lake Police officers were called to Meyer's home early Friday after he allegedly threatened to set his wife on fire once she fell asleep, the statement said.

Meyer also threatened to enter nearby Jane Ball Elementary School "and kill as many people as he could before police could stop him," the statement said. Meyer's home is less than 1,000 feet from the school and linked to it by trails and paths through a wooded area, police said.
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Is there really anyone who supports being able to own 47 guns ??
 
Nicodeamus said:
now we got to the reality that they are so damm expensive. Any 2nd year physics student knows how to make an Atomic bomb, in fact you can find the information on the internet about it. However good luck in trying to afford it.
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You cannot be for the legislation that normal civilians should be able to access radioactive material with the caveat that it's too expensive to happen. You're either for it or against it.
 
Randhir said:
You cannot be for the legislation that normal civilians should be able to access radioactive material with the caveat that it's too expensive to happen. You're either for it or against it.
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to be honest, I am more concerned about politicians using them, barring civilians from using it, didn't stop idiots like George Bush, Joseph Stalin and Fidel Castro or that wackjob from Iran (whose name I cannot pronounce) from getting into power.

Would their use of weapons of mass destruction somehow be nobler than a civilian's? I find it morally contradicting that things are for some reason wrong when that are done individually, but acceptable when they are done collectively.

The current legislation prohibiting people from buying radioactive material is simply pointless and useless. (not that I am really going to oppose it as that would also be pointless). There is just no way that someone will be able to fund the Manhattan project out of their own pocket and the demand for it will also be so tiny.
 
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