The Syrian Conflict Thread

AntiGanda said:
Presumably Russian aircraft cannot be shot down if the missile is Russian & vice versa.
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You would think so, but I doubt it, for a start all the Russian planes that have flown down the English Channel are flying without IFF, odds are, they will be IFF off over Syria as well. Not to mention, a basic manpad locks on the heat source and follows it, no other communication happens.

I really think that giving manpads to any of the rebel groups is a bad idea, if it happens something bad will follow...
 
Dave123 said:
You would think so, but I doubt it, for a start all the Russian planes that have flown down the English Channel are flying without IFF, odds are, they will be IFF off over Syria as well. Not to mention, a basic manpad locks on the heat source and follows it, no other communication happens.

I really think that giving manpads to any of the rebel groups is a bad idea, if it happens something bad will follow...
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I believe you are confusing the normal radar transponder with IFF ones. It's not unusual for military aircraft to turn off civilian transponder frequencies.

This is in addition to the IR seeker part on the missile itself. So there won't be a launch if the IFF gets a positive response.
 
Xarog said:
I think you're about the only one here who can read that.

Could you provide a short summary, perhaps? :P
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He was a plane technician, died from an explosion, seems he was at fault or did something wrong to cause the explosion.
 
Violence in Syria Spurs a Huge Surge in Civilian Flight

A tenuous truce in the Syrian countryside north of the city of Homs was shattered this month when Russian warplanes attacked the village of Ter Ma’aleh, killing at least a dozen people and sending most of the residents into hurried exile.

The assault on the village was part of a wider escalation of violence across the country that has displaced tens of thousands of people in just weeks and led relief workers to warn that Syria is facing one of its most serious humanitarian crises of the civil war.
The intensity of the fighting, they say, is fueling increased desperation as a growing number of Syrians are fleeing to neighboring countries and, especially, to Europe. More than 9,000 migrants a day crossed into Greece last week, according to the International Organization for Migration, the most since the beginning of the year.
The United Nations said in a statement that at least 120,000 people had been uprooted in Aleppo, Hama and Idlib Provinces this month. Most of the displaced have found shelter near their home villages as they try to wait out the fighting, with few Syrian provinces considered safe and the border with neighboring Turkey closed, for the moment.

For almost two years, a relative calm in the village of Ter Ma’aleh had made it a refuge for thousands of people displaced by the war from other towns, residents said.
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full story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/world/middleeast/syria-russian-air-strike-refugees.html?_r=0
 
Free Syrian Army groups did not visit Moscow

Delegations from Free Syrian Army rebel groups did not visit Moscow, representatives of four factions fighting under the FSA banner told Reuters on Tuesday, denying Russian news agency reports that such visits had taken place.

Russian Foreign Ministry official Mikhail Bogdanov was quoted by Interfax news agency on Tuesday as saying delegations from the Free Syrian Army had visited Moscow several times, including this week, amid heightened diplomacy on Syria.

The Free Syrian Army is a loose alliance of rebel groups, some of them recipients of military support from President Bashar al-Assad's foreign enemies. It does not operate with a centralized command structure.

"This talk is not correct," said Ahmed al-Seoud, head of the FSA-affiliated 13th Division group, which operates in areas of western Syria being attacked by Russian warplanes.

The spokesman for Alwiyat Seif al-Sham, an FSA group operating in southern Syria, said: "Nothing of this sort happened on our part as FSA. It is impossible for us to accept going to Moscow, and to have dialogue with it. We don’t want their help."

"We contacted our friends in other areas and nobody went," added the spokesman, Abu Ghiath al-Shami.

The main Western-backed political opposition, the National Coalition of Syrian Revolution and Opposition Forces, also denied such visits in a statement posted on its website.

"The Syrian Coalition considers these claims a part of the Russian misleading propaganda that aims at diverting attention from failures of the Russian aggression on the Syrian people," the Turkey-based organization said.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/27/us-mideast-crisis-syria-fsa-idUSKCN0SL0ML20151027
 
https://www.rt.com/news/319859-russia-nato-civilians-syria/

The Russian Ministry of Defense has summoned military attaches of NATO countries and Saudi Arabia on Tuesday, asking the officials to clarify their countries' allegations that Russian airstrikes in Syria have hit civilian targets.

"Today we invited military attaches from the US, Great Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the NATO bloc to ask them to give official validation to their statements, or make a rebuttal," Defense Ministry deputy head Anatoly Antonov said on Tuesday.

It particularly touches upon Western media's "outrageous accusations" that the Russian Air Force has allegedly bombed hospitals in Syria, the military official said.
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Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...te-disarray-ally-turkey-bombs-us-armed-rebels

A little over a week ago in “Full Metal Retard: US Launches ‘Performance-Based’ Ammo Paradrop Program For Make-Believe ‘Syrian Arabs’” we outlined what is perhaps the most hilarious Pentagon scheme designed to arm rebels in Syria to date (and that’s saying something).

Following the comical demise of the latest “train and equip” program, the US is out of options for supporting the opposition in Syria and so Washington decided to go back to Old Faithful: the Kurds.

But that presents a problem.

The US is now flying sorties from Incirlik and Turkish autocrat President Recep Tayyip Erdogan hates the Kurds and has gone out of his way to make it clear that Ankara doesn’t distinguish between the PKK and the YPG. For the uninitiated, here’s the problem broken down in bullet points:

The US is flying from a Turkish airbase
Access to that airbase came with NATO’s tacit approval of Erdogan’s move to crack down on the Kurdish PKK operating in Turkey (that crackdown is designed to bolster support for the government ahead of elections next month)
Both the US and Turkey designate PKK as a “terrorist” group
BUT while Ankara equates the PKK with the Kurdish rebels battling ISIS in Syria, Washington actually supports those same rebels, setting up a conflict of interest.

Now clearly, this is beyond absurd. That is, Turkey only got NATOs support for the politically motivated crackdown on the PKK because Ankara agreed to bundle said crackdown with a military campaign against ISIS. But the Syrian Kurds are the most effective ground force of them all when it comes to combating Islamic State. Because those Syrian Kurds are aligned with the PKK, Turkey is effectively trying to say its army is fighting ISIS, the PKK, and YPG all at once even as both the PKK and the YPG are also fighting ISIS.
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More in link.

Case in point @ Dave123. I imagine it wouldn't be very long before the Kurds start shooting MANPADS at the Turks...
 
Xarog said:
Case in point @ Dave123. I imagine it wouldn't be very long before the Kurds start shooting MANPADS at the Turks...
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Russia doesnt bomb the Kurds they only fight ISIS and make sure to stay away from government held areas, so there is no reason to give them anti air.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Russia doesnt bomb the Kurds they only fight ISIS and make sure to stay away from government held areas, so there is no reason to give them anti air.
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So then who would Saudi Arabia arm? And since the Kurds are fighting ISIS, what's to stop them from acquiring some manpads from whoever get the manpads? These are mercenary armies, are they not?
 
Xarog said:
So then who would Saudi Arabia arm?
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FSA

Xarog said:
And since the Kurds are fighting ISIS, what's to stop them from acquiring some manpads from whoever get the manpads? These are mercenary armies, are they not?
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You mean like selling them? No how it works with the TOWs is FSA brings back the empty cannisters and they swap them. On top of that they need to film each shot. Thats why if you watch online each TOW shot is filmed with the set up and then two angles of the shot. One camera on the operator and one on the hit. I should imagine the same policy would apply to the MANPADs.
 
Unhappy438 said:
FSA


You mean like selling them? No how it works with the TOWs is FSA brings back the empty cannisters and they swap them. On top of that they need to film each shot. Thats why if you watch online each TOW shot is filmed with the set up and then two angles of the shot. One camera on the operator and one on the hit. I should imagine the same policy would apply to the MANPADs.
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:wtf:

Ok, I have to say I'm somewhat amazed that kind of thing happens on the battlefield. What if the Saudis simply don't care to enforce it?
 
Xarog said:
:wtf:

Ok, I have to say I'm somewhat amazed that kind of thing happens on the battlefield. What if the Saudis simply don't care to enforce it?
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Well if they dont enforce it, then i should imagine they will almost certainly end up on the black market.
 
In relation to the whole Turkey/Kurd discussion though

Turkey Opens New Front Against Kurds in Syria

The Turkish military has opened a new front in the increasingly complicated Syrian war by staging attacks on Kurdish militants backed by the U.S., according to Kurdish forces and Turkish officials.

Over the weekend, Turkish forces hit Kurdish fighters controlling two strategic towns in Syria along Turkey’s border, Kurdish militants in the region said.

The strikes, which Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu appeared to confirm in a television interview on Monday, create new dangers for the Kurdish militants in Syria—one of the most effective fighting forces in the war against Islamic State.

Mr. Davutoglu said that Turkey carried out two strikes on Kurdish forces as a warning to the fighters against expanding their control into parts of Syria that Turkish officials hope will serve as a safe zone for returning refugees—and as a base for Syrian militants backed by the government in Ankara.

“If the YPG moves to the West of river Euphrates, we will hit it,” Mr. Davutoglu said in the interview. “We have already hit two times.” Turkey considers the river a “red line”.

A senior Kurdish official, Idres Nassan, denied that the YPG had made any moves in the region without coordinating with the U.S.-led coalition. “Our forces have not moved from the east bank of the river since they took over Tal Abyad [in June],” he said.
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Full article: http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-opens-new-front-against-kurds-in-syria-1445968338
 
Air strikes hit at least 12 hospitals in Syria in past weeks: MSF

Air strikes in northern Syria have hit at least 12 hospitals in recent weeks, killing at least 35 patients and medical staff in a new escalation of fighting, international medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres said on Thursday.

The violence has also caused the displacement of thousands of civilians since the end of September, MSF said, reporting a significant increase strikes on medical facilities.

The charity did not specify which country had carried out the air strikes. Russian and Syrian jets have been carrying out an intense air offensive in the west and northwest Syria.

Along with the dozens killed, another 72 were wounded in the strikes on hospitals in Aleppo, Idlib and Hama provinces, and six hospitals were forced to close, MSF said in a statement.

Fighting between rebels and forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad has intensified since Russia intervened in the war on the side of the government with an air campaign that began on Sept. 30.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-mideast-crisis-syria-msf-idUSKCN0SN1I420151029
 
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