The Syrian Conflict Thread

Unhappy438 said:
Absolutely, i don't disagree with any of that and i wasn't trying to invalidate that argument as a whole, only invalidate it in this particular instance.

I think its undeniable that the US wants Assad gone and they are willing to use a number of policies to achieve that.
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How can a North American country decide what leaders they have in the Middle East?

Also, if they aren't happy with the style of Assad, then why is the UAE, Saudi and the rest acceptable?
 
AntiGanda said:
How can a North American country decide what leaders they have in the Middle East?

Also, if they aren't happy with the style of Assad, then why is the UAE, Saudi and the rest acceptable?
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Who said he thinks it's acceptable? You presume too much.
 
Xarog said:
Who said he thinks it's acceptable? You presume too much.
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Acceptable enough not to demand regime change, to keep quiet about their human rights, buy their oil and supply them with copious amounts of weaponry?

Come now ...
 
AntiGanda said:
Are you pinching dodgy videos from LiveLeak now and putting them on your personal account? That's low.
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dodgy videos ?
from the very same source you used.

difference is, i made a bit of effort so the video could be embedded within the thread, thus people are not having to divert to a different site to watch it.

the same applies for any pic i have ever posted on this forum - it's embedded here - not as a link to an external site.
some are prepared to make a little effort, others, not so much
 
Russians using white phosphorus in Idlib

[video=youtube;aesD9IOyPoY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aesD9IOyPoY&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
Someone on the thread I took a wager with in the beginning that Russia would escalate their attack.

Seems I was right, anyway...

Looks like everyone's siding with Russia now... Well played Putin, well played.

This is the right way to go about things: http://plumvillage.org/letters-from-thay/message-to-osama-bin-laden-interview-with-thich-nhat-hanh/

Jeremy Corbyn's response was along these lines.

The thing is with ISIS, the people aren't evil. They're just people. The evil part is the ideology of ISIS. That is what needs to melt away. Conflict, and more conflict makes the ideology stronger.
 
AntiGanda said:
Fake.

When the Ukrainian army used this you said it was just flares.
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I see you still haven't improved at this trolling, one would think after years of practice you should have by now.

Back onto the ignore list, perhaps things will have changed in a few months. I wont hold my breath though.
 
Army map suggests presence of Russian artillery unit in central Syria


Military chiefs briefing Vladimir Putin on operations in Syria showed him a map with a reference to a unit in the center of the country that matches a Russian army artillery unit, suggesting the Kremlin's involvement may be deeper than previously thought.

Moscow, which is conducting air strikes in Syria, has repeatedly said Russian troops are not taking part in ground operations. If the unit is part of the Russian military, it would mean Russian forces are operating well outside the zone where Moscow says its troops are present.

The map was shown on Russian state television footage of a briefing at defense ministry headquarters on Tuesday evening, when Putin was being shown how the Kremlin was intensifying its operations against Islamic State.

Spotted by an eagle-eyed Russian military blogger, the map featured a dot near to the settlement of Sadad, between the cities of Homs and Damascus, accompanied by the words: "5 Gabatr 120th ABR 2A65 Msta B, six pieces from 14:00 06.11."

"Gabatr" is an acronym commonly used in the Russian military for "Howitzer Battery." The acronym "ABR" stands for "Artillery Brigade". The designation "2A65 Msta B" describes a type of howitzer in use by the Russian military.

The Russian military has a 120th artillery brigade, based in Siberia armed with 2A65 guns. A duty serviceman contacted by Reuters on Wednesday confirmed the brigade was based in Siberia, but said he did not know whether it was active in Syria.

Siberian TV channel Yenisei-region has in the past broadcast footage from a local firing range where the 120th brigade was test firing the 2A65 guns.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, when asked about the map, said: "In Syria there is a technical contingent (of troops) linked with carrying out the Russian air force operation."

"There are no ground forces there and Russian soldiers are not carrying out a ground operation. The president has said that many times."

He said further questions should be addressed to the Defense Ministry and that he was not an expert in military maps.

Two spokesmen from the Russian defense ministry declined to comment. Nor did the ministry immediately respond to written questions on the subject from Reuters.

The map displayed in the defense ministry briefing was entitled: "Activities of the armed forces of the Syrian Arab Republic in the area of the Mheen settlement."

Islamist militants are encircled by Syrian government forces in Mheen, according to Valery Gerasimov, the head of the Russian general staff, who was speaking during the briefing.
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Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015...ary-idUSKCN0T72VW20151118#zXZkMoeHb5TxH0wg.99
 
AntiGanda said:
Hang on. Let's analyse this article based on a blog.

They saw some abbreviations on a map and assumed the artillery was Russian??

Oh please! The Syrians are working with Russian advisers, so of course the military will be using their terminology and maps even.
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Hey you, you again missed the boat and ignored half of the article as usual.
 
AntiGanda said:
Hang on. Let's analyse this article based on a blog.

They saw some abbreviations on a map and assumed the artillery was Russian??

Oh please! The Syrians are working with Russian advisers, so of course the military will be using their terminology and maps even.
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Why would it matter? And what are you even going into your Russian defender mode?

Russia is entitled to be Syria, having an artillery battery could be construed as a support unit as it would be many km from the actual front line. The fact they might have troops supporting the Syrian Army would be quite legitimate.

Aren't you only paid to defend Russia in the Ukraine thread? Don't confuse the two...
 
Dave123 said:
Why would it matter? And what are you even going into your Russian defender mode?

Russia is entitled to be Syria, having an artillery battery could be construed as a support unit as it would be many km from the actual front line. The fact they might have troops supporting the Syrian Army would be quite legitimate.

Aren't you only paid to defend Russia in the Ukraine thread? Don't confuse the two...
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The article was placed by someone with Ukrainian links and hates everything Russian. That's not in dispute.

If you want to read deliberately misleading articles, then do so, but don't paste them here if you don't want them challenged.

We know the Russians are there by invitation and there is no secrecy so no need to post rubbish 'exposes'.
 
AntiGanda said:
The article was placed by someone with Ukrainian links and hates everything Russian. That's not in dispute.

If you want to read deliberately misleading articles, then do so, but don't paste them here if you don't want them challenged.
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I don't see the article that way, it's newsworthy in so much as there haven't been previous reports of Russian artillery, if there is, Russia should just confirm it and say it's there in support of the Syrian army, it's not like they are fighting on the actual front line. They could be stationed further away from the front line than the pilots doing the bombing and still be in range to shell the front line.
 
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