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Schit's whack.

Black Market Sold Drones Used in Russian Base Attack

The Kremlin may have accused the United States of a drone swarm attack on its naval base in Syria. But The Daily Beast found the drones for sale on a social media arms market.

Russia has all but accused the U.S. military of being behind the improvised drone attack on its air base in Syria last week, claiming the aircraft could have only come from a major military power like the United States.

But days before the unique, jury-rigged drone bomber surfaced in the attack, a seller in a rebel social media arms market based in Syria's Idlib province posted an advertisement for an identical-looking model of rickety homebrew drone along with similar munitions, casting serious doubt on Moscow's tales of high tech transfer.
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Obviously the US need to offload the drone via the 'black market' they can't do it directly
 
From Russian mod

As a rule, these UAVs were assembled from parts available on the market.
In the middle of 2016, insurgents started using foreign quadcopters for conducting air reconnaissance and delivering strikes.
It is to be stressed that the Russian side registered that insurgents started using drones of a new type and modifications in a few days after the drones had appeared on the market in different countries.
Insurgents have used such unmanned aerial vehicles to deliver strikes on objects of the Russian Armed Forces for the first time.
Specialists of the Russian Defence Ministry have examined constructions and capabilities of the drones.
Construction of these drones takes significant time period and special knowledge of aerodynamics and radioelectronics.
Handicraft industry of these drones is possible if one had assembly schemes and necessary components, which had been tested properly.
In order to produce these drones, such components as engine, servo units, and electrical batteries are could be bought on the market.
However, assembly and use of these components in the joint system are a complicated engineer task demanding special training, scientific knowledge, and practical experience of producing these aircraft.
These are some examples.
Internal combustion engines used in grass-cutters and motorized bicycles were mounted on the drones.
As everybody knows, nobody could mount them on the UAVs without appropriate modification.
Moreover, special software is required for using fire means of the drones.
Insurgents needed to receive sharp coordinates of targets and take into account numerous parameters as altitude, flight speed as well as wind direction and speed in order to reach necessary strike effectiveness.
Examination shows that radioelectonic equipment, which had been mounted on the drones, provided automated and programmed in advance flight of the drones and drop of explosive devices as well as safety of control systems from electronic countermeasures.
Moreover, for example, pre-programmed coordinates are more accurate than those in the Internet.
In order to receive needed flight-tactic characteristics of the drone, even an improvised one, it is necessary to conduct calculations and flight tests.
Organization of combat use of drones demands respective training and experience.

Massed launch of drones targeting Russian military objects in Syria was triggered from one place in a short period of time.
The slides show decoded data from captured drones on their coded and real flight routes and their assigned discharge points.

At the same time, one of the drones was equipped a videocamera designed for control and fire adjustment.
There for when preparing for the attack, it was necessary to perform required engineering and navigational calculations for effective application of a group of drones.

One should pay attention to munitions carried by the drones.
These are 400g improvised explosive devices with fragmentations (small metal balls). The effective area of such munitions is up to 50m.
Each drone carried ten munitions.

Preliminary researches have showed that the PETN, which is more powerful than RDX, was used as explosive basis in munitions.
The PETN is produces by a number of countries, including Ukraine at the Shostkinsky Chemical Plant. This explosive material cannot be produced in an improvised manner or extracted from other munitions.

The results of analysing the drones and their application suggest the following conclusions:
First of all, it is impossible to develop such drones in an improvised manner. They were developed and operated by experts with special skills acquired in countries that produce and apply systems with UAVs.
Secondly, there is a real threat that terrorists can use drones for their attacks worldwide. This threat is to be eliminated by appropriate measures.

The Russian Defence Ministry pointed out that one should not confuse basic construction of attack drones demonstrated at the briefing with engineering and technical solutions applied in developing.

Such lethal devices require special expertise, practical skills and operating experience in the sphere.

The fact that terrorists have received assembly technology and programming technology is the evidence that this threat stretches far beyond the Syrian borders.

Such lethal drones can be applied by terrorists in any country, targeting not only military objects.

To eliminate such threats, it is important to start addressing it today, and organize cooperation of all interested sides at international level.
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https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/951477657459482624
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Was just about to post this, Russian mod with egg on their face again.
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rietrot said:
Obviously the US need to offload the drone via the 'black market' they can't do it directly
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^ this

While there doesn't seem to be enough evidence of the US supplying in this instance, do people seriously not think they'd "launder" it via a black market?!?

Dailybeast shat the bed as much as the Russian MoD if that's their only angle.
 
Syria offensive: Turkish troops 'capture villages' in Afrin

Turkish forces have captured a number of villages in north-western Syria, on the third day of an offensive to oust Kurdish fighters, Turkish media report.

Troops, accompanied by allied Syrian rebels, reportedly seized control of several areas in Afrin on Monday.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he would not "step back" in the assault following talks with Russia.

Turkey considers the Kurdish YPG militia it is targeting in the region to be a terrorist group.

"We are determined, Afrin will be sorted out," Mr Erdogan said in a live television broadcast in Ankara on Monday.

"We will take no step back," he said, adding: "We spoke about this with our Russian friends; we have an agreement."

The YPG, which controls much of north-eastern Syria, is believed by Turkey to be an extension of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has fought for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey for three decades.

The YPG denies any direct links and is a crucial part of a US-backed alliance battling Islamic State (IS) jihadists in Syria.
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More at: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42771469
 
Cius said:
If you sought autonomy and they said no then technically you are still part of the country and so entitled to protection from the government.
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The government would be equally entitled to let a rogue enemy of the state perish in battle, especially if it doesn't need to lose a single soldier in that fight.

This oddball request is one of two things imo:
- the Kurds have been instructed by their US masters to do it so that Assad can yet again be vilified when he doesn't help
- the Kurds have given up on their US masters and wish to come back in from the cold
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
The government would be equally entitled to let a rogue enemy of the state perish in battle, especially if it doesn't need to lose a single soldier in that fight.

This oddball request is one of two things imo:
- the Kurds have been instructed by their US masters to do it so that Assad can yet again be vilified when he doesn't help
- the Kurds have given up on their US masters and wish to come back in from the cold
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The Kurds are not really rogue enemies of the state, they have had their disagreements but also have helped one another. Turkey on the other hand is more of an enemy than the Kurds, so the math seems simpler when looked at like that.
 
Unhappy438 said:
The Kurds are not really rogue enemies of the state, they have had their disagreements but also have helped one another. Turkey on the other hand is more of an enemy than the Kurds, so the math seems simpler when looked at like that.
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That's historically true. But lately the Turks have aligned with Russia who happens to be Assad's most valuable ally in this whole mess.

The Kurds on the other hand have increasingly pivoted towards the US, Assad's greatest enemy. Or perhaps they just take the US support without considering it an allegiance of any kind, that's quite possible, but would be yet another disappointment for USA.

So I dunno, could still turn out to be the more complex scenario.
 
Tests link Syrian government stockpile to largest sarin attack

The Syrian government’s chemical weapons stockpile has been linked for the first time by laboratory tests to the largest sarin nerve agent attack of the civil war, diplomats and scientists told Reuters, supporting Western claims that government forces under President Bashar al-Assad were behind the atrocity.

Laboratories working for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons compared samples taken by a U.N. mission in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta after the Aug. 21, 2013 attack, when hundreds of civilians died of sarin gas poisoning, to chemicals handed over by Damascus for destruction in 2014.
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Nothing to see here, just an invading force committing acts of war against another sovereign state :whistle:

[video=youtube;jU6pKm7mbgI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU6pKm7mbgI[/video]
 
Lol at launching "defensive" air strikes in someone else's country who doesn't even have the capacity to attack you.
This is Bush level WMD BS all over again.
 
The US should decide why are they in Syria and just properly declear war because it doesn't lokk like they're fighting ISIS anymore.
 
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