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Hi there, I'm putting together a gaming PC for a friend with a budget of R10000. I managed to find some decent parts on Takealot and the focus was on getting the best CPU and GPU within the budget. I made concessions with the rest of the parts. I was wondering if anyone here could help me out and optimize this rig? Here's the parts:

Motherboard - MSI Intel H81m-P33 Socket 1150 -R839

Intel Core i5 4690 - R4079

GTX 1050 Ti - R2789

8GB DDR3 1600Mhz RAM - R919

600W PSU - R889

Western Digital 1TB HDD - R749

Chassis - R609

Total - R10873

A bit over the budget but my friend said going a bit over is okay and that at most he'll go 1-2k over the budget. Anyway, is that build decent enough? It's not meant to max out games obviously, he just wants a decent gaming PC to be able to play at relatively nice settings at 1080p.
 
Honestly, not really.

The problem is that the CPU, motherboard and memory that you chose are all quite old. Even within that range, what you've done is gone for a very cheap motherboard and a very expensive (and old) CPU. That CPU is now 3 generations behind the latest, so it won't be as fast or as power efficient. The memory is also pretty old, so his memory bandwidth would be lower.

Also, if you can find a good deal on TakeAlot and you know what you are getting, I'd go for it. That case and PSU for example are decent deals. The problem with TakeAlot is that because they are not a specialized PC parts store, their selection and availability is not great. I mean, they want to sell you ancient processors and motherboards that you cannot even buy on more specialized stores!

I'd recommend Wootware as an online store, they are great.

You also have the option of Intel vs AMD. AMD has recently released a new line of processors which are actually competitive with Intel's processors. In summary, they will perform a little worse in older games and a little better in newer games than Intel chips. Obviously this depends on other factors but it is generally true, and it is because AMD chips have more threads (ie can do more things at once) than Intel chips at the same price range, but each thread is a little slower (in layman's terms). Up to you. Most of the other components would be the same.

Also, I notice no Windows license? Does he have one already?

I'd recommend these:
GPU - 1050 Ti for R 2699
Memory - 8GB of DDR4 -2666 for R1049
Hard drive - same 1TB for R749
Power supply - Corsair 550W for R849
Case/ Chassis - go with that Deepcool above, I can't find a better deal on Wootware

Total so far before motherboard and CPU - R5955
So that leaves us about R4000 for motherboard and CPU. Ouch. He is going to have go a little over unfortunately.

Intel option:
Motherboard for R1452
Intel i5 7500 3.4 Ghz CPU for R3299
Total: R4751. So about R700 over

AMD option:
AMD R5 1500X 3.5 Ghz CPU for R2999
Motherboard for R1643
Total R4642. So about R600 cheaper.

As I said, the difference will be in the games. Remember that despite the AMD having a higher clockspeed, it is still a little slower per core. The difference is that the AMD has 4 cores but can execute 8 threads at a time. The Intel has 4 cores and can execute 4 threads at a time. Newer games tend to have more cores, thus the AMD will do better in newer games and worse in older games. Not much of a difference pricewise, however there is one thing to note.

In your friend's price range, he cannot afford to buy an Intel motherboard that will enable him to overclock his CPU. They start at about R2200. That AMD motherboard and CPU do support overclocking, so he could overclock that.
 
Chevron said:
Here have 6core/12thread proper CPU:

www.wootware.co.za/amd-ryzen-5-1600-hex-core-3-2ghz-3-6ghz-turbo-socket-am4-desktop-cpu.html
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I play in a quad core virtual machine (i7-4790) with a gtx 980 and i get solid 60 fps. Quit misleading people.

OP check out carbonite forum for better deals.

CPU
http://carbonite.co.za/showthread.php?t=161320
The seller is very reliable, i've bought several items from him. Just send him a pm to get payment and shipping details. He might also have a mobo and RAM to go with the chip. His CPU's are new but does not come with a cooler so you'll have to get a aftermarket one.

GPU
http://carbonite.co.za/showthread.php?t=164333
http://carbonite.co.za/forumdisplay.php?f=40

I got my GTX 980 on there for R3800 in mint condition.
 
Chevron said:
4core, 4thread in 2017 lol.
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Nothing wrong with 4 cores and 4 threads. Sure there are certain games that make use of more threads such as Crysis 3 and BF4 but even then the differences in performance are minimal.
 
Ancalagon said:
Honestly, not really.

The problem is that the CPU, motherboard and memory that you chose are all quite old. Even within that range, what you've done is gone for a very cheap motherboard and a very expensive (and old) CPU. That CPU is now 3 generations behind the latest, so it won't be as fast or as power efficient. The memory is also pretty old, so his memory bandwidth would be lower.

Also, if you can find a good deal on TakeAlot and you know what you are getting, I'd go for it. That case and PSU for example are decent deals. The problem with TakeAlot is that because they are not a specialized PC parts store, their selection and availability is not great. I mean, they want to sell you ancient processors and motherboards that you cannot even buy on more specialized stores!

I'd recommend Wootware as an online store, they are great.

You also have the option of Intel vs AMD. AMD has recently released a new line of processors which are actually competitive with Intel's processors. In summary, they will perform a little worse in older games and a little better in newer games than Intel chips. Obviously this depends on other factors but it is generally true, and it is because AMD chips have more threads (ie can do more things at once) than Intel chips at the same price range, but each thread is a little slower (in layman's terms). Up to you. Most of the other components would be the same.

Also, I notice no Windows license? Does he have one already?

I'd recommend these:
GPU - 1050 Ti for R 2699
Memory - 8GB of DDR4 -2666 for R1049
Hard drive - same 1TB for R749
Power supply - Corsair 550W for R849
Case/ Chassis - go with that Deepcool above, I can't find a better deal on Wootware

Total so far before motherboard and CPU - R5955
So that leaves us about R4000 for motherboard and CPU. Ouch. He is going to have go a little over unfortunately.

Intel option:
Motherboard for R1452
Intel i5 7500 3.4 Ghz CPU for R3299
Total: R4751. So about R700 over

AMD option:
AMD R5 1500X 3.5 Ghz CPU for R2999
Motherboard for R1643
Total R4642. So about R600 cheaper.

As I said, the difference will be in the games. Remember that despite the AMD having a higher clockspeed, it is still a little slower per core. The difference is that the AMD has 4 cores but can execute 8 threads at a time. The Intel has 4 cores and can execute 4 threads at a time. Newer games tend to have more cores, thus the AMD will do better in newer games and worse in older games. Not much of a difference pricewise, however there is one thing to note.

In your friend's price range, he cannot afford to buy an Intel motherboard that will enable him to overclock his CPU. They start at about R2200. That AMD motherboard and CPU do support overclocking, so he could overclock that.
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Won't lie, I heard about wootware but never really checked them out. I was just so used to takealot that I never bothered to check out other options. Do they also do cash on delivery? Either way, I'm definitely gonna check out those parts you linked and just wootware in general.

On a side note though, I'm gonna have to disagree about the motherboard, cpu and ram that I chose. The reason why I chose that motherboard was because I was looking for something basic. I've never really been an overclocker and my friend doesn't care about fancy features too such as SLI, overclocking etc. He just needs a basic motherboard. Furthermore, takealot's availability as you say, is pretty bad so I couldn't really find a more modern CPU/MOBO combo.

As for the CPU, this is where I disagree LARGELY. Yes that cpu is old by today's standards but most i5 and i7s are still more than enough for today's games. I'm rocking a i7 2600 (yes non k) and it's still destroying games. Yes it's a 2011 cpu so ridiculously out of date but the power is still more than enough for games. The only way I see the cpu not being enough would be for those extremely cpu heavy games such as Total War. Basically the point I'm trying to make is, games simply haven't caught up to CPU power (perhaps a few). I've always found it ridiculous why people would invest in a clearly overpowered cpu when all they are going to do is gaming. The same goes for the ram. The bandwidth is lower but how does that TRULY affect the gaming experience? By the odd 1 or 2fps?

Anyway, that little "rant" lol wasn't me going against your advice. In fact I'm going to take your advice and check out those parts you linked. It was just a slight off topic disagreement.
 
Syphonx said:
Get this CPU, just remember you need to but a cooler as well because it's just the chip. But it's an i7 so should be good for the next 5+ years.
http://carbonite.co.za/showthread.php?t=161320
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Is that from a dealer? Either way, that price is ridiculous. I'll check it out. Was gonna use the i5 Ancalogon linked but for 2700 this is a steal. I can also just buy an aftermarket cooler to make up that difference. Perhaps spend more on the PSU too.
 
Yep, people are soo eager to jump onto "get the bestest mostest cores ever !!11one11eleven!!!" because you need it for 1080p gaming..... right. As the OP said, midrange cpu will be more than enough for anything at 1080p. The 1050ti though will struggle in some games at max 1080p settings.

He'll be replacing the GFX card before that CPU in the future.

Edit: OP also mentioned its for gaming, not <whatever else that needs massive amounts of cores to power it>
 
RokSwaab said:
Is that from a dealer? Either way, that price is ridiculous. I'll check it out. Was gonna use the i5 Ancalogon linked but for 2700 this is a steal. I can also just buy an aftermarket cooler to make up that difference. Perhaps spend more on the PSU too.
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I baught a i7 6700 from him around 2 months ago, awesome deal.
 
He also has an online etailer site called mineaway.co.za 100% legit. With 10k you should be able to do a gtx 1060 build.

RokSwaab said:
Is that from a dealer? Either way, that price is ridiculous. I'll check it out. Was gonna use the i5 Ancalogon linked but for 2700 this is a steal. I can also just buy an aftermarket cooler to make up that difference. Perhaps spend more on the PSU too.
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RokSwaab said:
Won't lie, I heard about wootware but never really checked them out. I was just so used to takealot that I never bothered to check out other options. Do they also do cash on delivery? Either way, I'm definitely gonna check out those parts you linked and just wootware in general.

On a side note though, I'm gonna have to disagree about the motherboard, cpu and ram that I chose. The reason why I chose that motherboard was because I was looking for something basic. I've never really been an overclocker and my friend doesn't care about fancy features too such as SLI, overclocking etc. He just needs a basic motherboard. Furthermore, takealot's availability as you say, is pretty bad so I couldn't really find a more modern CPU/MOBO combo.

As for the CPU, this is where I disagree LARGELY. Yes that cpu is old by today's standards but most i5 and i7s are still more than enough for today's games. I'm rocking a i7 2600 (yes non k) and it's still destroying games. Yes it's a 2011 cpu so ridiculously out of date but the power is still more than enough for games. The only way I see the cpu not being enough would be for those extremely cpu heavy games such as Total War. Basically the point I'm trying to make is, games simply haven't caught up to CPU power (perhaps a few). I've always found it ridiculous why people would invest in a clearly overpowered cpu when all they are going to do is gaming. The same goes for the ram. The bandwidth is lower but how does that TRULY affect the gaming experience? By the odd 1 or 2fps?

Anyway, that little "rant" lol wasn't me going against your advice. In fact I'm going to take your advice and check out those parts you linked. It was just a slight off topic disagreement.
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Well the motherboard you linked only has 2 DIMM slots because the chipset only supports 2 DIMM slots. So, you could forget about ever having more than 8GB of memory.

Yes, you are right that old CPUs can still cut it today - if you own one. But your friend doesn't, so why buy him something that is old as soon as you pay for it? I rock a Phenom II X6 1055T, which is older and even slower than your CPU, but I'd never recommend to someone to buy anything old - especially not motherboard.

That motherboard I linked is not even a fancy bells and whistles motherboard - it doesn't even support CrossFire or SLI. At least, the Intel one doesn't. It is a basic gaming motherboard. You want a CrossFire and/or SLI and /or overclocking Intel board, you are going to pay at least R2200. Which is not what I recommended as you can see. As for AMD, they tend to throw in stuff like overclocking for the same price to try to compete with Intel. You could get a cheaper AMD board, such as an A320 board. But then you start losing other things, like SATA connectors, memory slots, sometimes even stability.

The other thing to remember about new vs old, another reason not to buy that ancient CPU, is that new platforms have the newest connectors - USB3, PCI-e 3, SATA3, m2, NVMe etc etc. Now this may not matter to you, but what if your friend wants to use a USB3 only peripheral? Or an m2 SSD? Old platforms and cheap motherboards don't support those.
 
Ancalagon said:
Well the motherboard you linked only has 2 DIMM slots because the chipset only supports 2 DIMM slots. So, you could forget about ever having more than 8GB of memory.

Yes, you are right that old CPUs can still cut it today - if you own one. But your friend doesn't, so why buy him something that is old as soon as you pay for it? I rock a Phenom II X6 1055T, which is older and even slower than your CPU, but I'd never recommend to someone to buy anything old - especially not motherboard.

That motherboard I linked is not even a fancy bells and whistles motherboard - it doesn't even support CrossFire or SLI. At least, the Intel one doesn't. It is a basic gaming motherboard. You want a CrossFire and/or SLI and /or overclocking Intel board, you are going to pay at least R2200. Which is not what I recommended as you can see. As for AMD, they tend to throw in stuff like overclocking for the same price to try to compete with Intel. You could get a cheaper AMD board, such as an A320 board. But then you start losing other things, like SATA connectors, memory slots, sometimes even stability.

The other thing to remember about new vs old, another reason not to buy that ancient CPU, is that new platforms have the newest connectors - USB3, PCI-e 3, SATA3, m2, NVMe etc etc. Now this may not matter to you, but what if your friend wants to use a USB3 only peripheral? Or an m2 SSD? Old platforms and cheap motherboards don't support those.
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I think I should have worded my comment better. I agree if you can buy something new for the same price as something older, to just buy the new components. Buying something older but for the same price would be dumb thing to do. The point I was trying to make is that older hardware is still good and that's all I meant really. I didn't intend for it to be interpreted as me actually thinking the older components are a better choice for my friend's rig.

That being said, I appreciate your advice and have accordingly adjusted the build. Won't lie though, I am kinda out of date with the hardware. Haven't been following tech in a while. I wanna get back into it though.
 
ponder said:
He also has an online etailer site called mineaway.co.za 100% legit. With 10k you should be able to do a gtx 1060 build.
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How are his components so k@k cheap though? Does he buy directly from warehouses?
 
Zenthrax said:
Yep, people are soo eager to jump onto "get the bestest mostest cores ever !!11one11eleven!!!" because you need it for 1080p gaming..... right. As the OP said, midrange cpu will be more than enough for anything at 1080p. The 1050ti though will struggle in some games at max 1080p settings.

He'll be replacing the GFX card before that CPU in the future.

Edit: OP also mentioned its for gaming, not <whatever else that needs massive amounts of cores to power it>
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I would say the 1050 ti is okay for his needs. He doesn't care about max settings. He just wants something equivalent to the PS4 and the 1050 Ti should be more than enough. As a matter of fact, the GPU I'm using is a R9 270X which in turn is a renamed 7870. That's a 2011 GPU iirc and honestly, I'm still satisfied with the performance. Sure I can't max all the settings but it's fine enough for 1080p and most games can still be played medium to high with some on high. It still outperforms PS4 and Bone. The only issue I've experienced is the 2GB vram can bottleneck performance so unfortunately I always have to make concessions on textures in certain games such as Deus Ex Mankind Divided or lower the resolution. The 4GB vram of the 1050 Ti should help my friend avoid this bottleneck. Furthermore, he can simply upgrade his GPU in the future if he deems necessary.
 
Check the PC build thread and some of my other posts here. Currently on a phone so can't post detailed info here until Telkom installs my new line. Besides wootware also look at rebeltech, you can get a asrock mb for just over r700, for the PSU look at the corsair vs450 its plenty for what you need. 2 dimm slots are fine as you can go up to 32gb of ram.

RokSwaab said:
I'll check out what other parts he has.
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Don't get a 1050ti, the budget allows for a 1060, he'll be glad he got that trust me.
 
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