Thousands displaced by Cape Town flooding

[Ninja'd]

They are not going to provide infrastructure in an area unsuitable for anyone to live.

Die dwase man bou sy huis op die sand
en die reën het neergeval.
En die reën val neer en die vloed styg op
en die huis op die sand val plat!

 

[konfab]

If this happens every time there is a lot of rain (almost every year) then we need infrastructure to channel this water to holding containers rather than flooding in the winter and water supply issues in the summer.

It would be difficult as Nerfherder said, given the flats are pretty close to sea level.

But then again, the Dutch have done much more extreme feats of hydraulic engineering in the 1930s.

The Afsluitdijk (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈɑfslœyˌdɛik], Frisian: Ofslútdyk; English: Closure Dike) is a major causeway in the Netherlands, constructed between 1927 and 1932 and running from Den Oever on Wieringen in North Holland province, to the village of Zurich in Friesland province, over a length of 32 kilometres (20 mi) and a width of 90 metres (300 ft), at an initial height of 7.25 metres (23.8 ft) above sea-level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsluitdijk

Just FYI, False bay is 35 km across from Cape Point to Hangklip, just sayin :twisted:

 

[Jola]

It would be difficult as Nerfherder said, given the flats are pretty close to sea level.

But then again, the Dutch have done much more extreme feats of hydraulic engineering in the 1930s.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsluitdijk

Just FYI, False bay is 35 km across from Cape Point to Hangklip, just sayin :twisted:

Good idea, ANC could fund this out of their offshore slush funds.

 

[daveza]

The Afsluitdijk (Dutch pronunciation: [ˈɑfslœyˌdɛik], Frisian: Ofslútdyk; English: Closure Dike) is a major causeway in the Netherlands, constructed between 1927 and 1932 and running from Den Oever on Wieringen in North Holland province, to the village of Zurich in Friesland province, over a length of 32 kilometres (20 mi) and a width of 90 metres (300 ft), at an initial height of 7.25 metres (23.8 ft) above sea-level.

We can do that - then pass the cost on to the new inhabitants.

Or they could just not put up a shack anywhere they like and expect electricity, water and sewage to be made available - free of course.

 

[konfab]

Good idea, ANC could fund this out of their offshore slush funds.

An offshore project for their offshore slush funds

 

[konfab]

We can do that - then pass the cost on to the new inhabitants.

Or they could just not put up a shack anywhere they like and expect electricity, water and sewage to be made available - free of course.

Why not both? Provide stilts for them to build their shacks on

 

[C4Cat]

We can do that - then pass the cost on to the new inhabitants.

Or they could just not put up a shack anywhere they like and expect electricity, water and sewage to be made available - free of course.

Where would you like them to go?

 

[crackersa]

Where would you like them to go?

Well, since you don't have a problem with it. How about inviting a few to come live you?

 

[daveza]

Where would you like them to go?

I am so tempted....

But let me rather put it another way.

Can I just find a stuk grond, put up a shack and then expect infrastructure to be rolled out for me ?

Edit: Just trying to work through the thought process -

'let's leave our mud hut/pondok/shack where we are living in the EC because the ANC does nothing for us here and move to Cape Town which is run by the DA, those horrible racists. When we get there we will just build a place somewhere and then that horrible racist lot will give us free sewage, water and electricity.'

Really ?

 

[konfab]

Where would you like them to go?

Pofadder.

Very little chance of flooding there.

 

[daveza]

http://www.acdi.uct.ac.za/sites/default/files/RisingWaters_WEB 2013_ FLICCR Project.pdf

The City can’t deal with refuse removal here the way it does
in the suburbs, where each home has its own wheelie bin.
Instead, residents haul their rubbish bags out to containers
like this one, and if it’s locked, leave them like offerings at its
barred entrance. Bag after bag, they pile up.

First, the dogs come, wandering through in packs or as
straggling loners, and rip through the plastic in search of food.
Then the rains come, washing the rubbish into the stormwater
drains which become a catch-all for the detritus of living: grey
water from laundry, the contents of toilet buckets and kitchen
waste.

Invariably, the drains clog, backing up after a downpour, and
flood the streets with a cocktail of foul water. It pushes in
under doors, across floors, seeps into mattresses and bedding,
into lounge suites and kitchen cupboards and school clothes.
Long after the flood waters have retreated, the last stubborn
puddles linger for days, greening over with algae and rot.

But apparently it's the city's fault -

But residents say the City needs
to communicate better about collection times

 

[C4Cat]

Well, since you don't have a problem with it. How about inviting a few to come live you?

I'm not the one complaining about where they are currently.

 

[daveza]

Same link as above -

Once, these grey walls threw a screen of modesty around
communal flushing toilets which fed into a sewage system
that was regarded as fairly sophisticated for a community like
this. Now they are abandoned, the porcelain toilets shattered,
the shells used as dumpsites for rubbish.

In 2008, the City installed communal toilets throughout
Kosovo: flush toilets to spare residents the indignity of bucket
toilets. Open drainage channels and stormwater drains were
put in, to funnel away rainwater and grey water from washing,
cooking, and bathing.

This toilet system fed into collection chambers that the municipality
would vacuum clean using honeysucker trucks, rather than
piping the black water away to a sewage plant. But the
chambers soon filled up and became blocked with newspaper,
bricks and sticks, causing sewage to push back up out the
drains and manholes.

There was some debate about whether the toilets were
damaged intentionally, either by residents eager to show the
City up, or if the sabotage was fuelled by political rivalry, or
mischievous children.

Before long, residents were back on the bucket system, and the communal toilets were broken and useless.

Just the thing to persuade the city to provide more infrastructure.

 

[bekdik]

Pofadder.

Very little chance of flooding there.

Nkandla would seem like a another alternative.

 

[konfab]

http://www.acdi.uct.ac.za/sites/default/files/RisingWaters_WEB 2013_ FLICCR Project.pdf

From the same report:

In 2007, a ring of shacks sprung up around the lip of a detention pond, space designed as part of a stormwater management system to act as a temporary catchment during heavy rain. But people were desperate for land, and so they started building homes deeper and deeper inside the pond, which stood dry during summer months and probably looked suitable for settlement.

That is simply bad management, there would have been legitimate grounds for eviction here. Their safety is at risk.

Again with the infrastructure. During the dry months when said pond is dry, you dig it deeper so that when it rains, the water can go somewhere.