TIK: The ultimate downer.

copacetic said:
Or perhaps legalize the drug and put the dealers out of business? Or does killing appeal to you?
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Dealers will never be out of business. Somebody has to get these drugs from supplier > end user and it will always involve a dealer of some kind, even more so with imports like Heroine and Cocaine since the suppliers are only interested in passing it off to the next dealer.
 
marine1 said:
Yeah legalise it that will help :rolleyes:
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Heard of Portugal?

Nothxkbi said:
Dealers will never be out of business. Somebody has to get these drugs from supplier > end user and it will always involve a dealer of some kind, even more so with imports like Heroine and Cocaine since the suppliers are only interested in passing it off to the next dealer.
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Okay, let's be logical here - If the war on drugs around the world has failed utterly with regards to being heavy handed on the dealers and users and this is indeed the case, why expend the unnecessary effort? It is a waste of resources that could be better used helping the drug addicts and removing them from the clutches of the dealers. It is really not too complex.

Dealers will never be out of business, quite right. Any dealer that gets taken out will be replaced by another ten. There will always be addicts and there will always be dealers so I ask, what the **** is the point of extra violence that demonstratively has sweet ****all effect in actually helping the problem?

Harm reduction is the sensible course here, not totally pointless heavy handed tactics, that do not work.
 
The war on drugs is a complete and utter waste of time, money and people's lives. Legalising is really the only and last approach to sorting this problem out.
 
marine1 said:
No is that a type of food? :rolleyes:
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It was a reasonable question, I thought it would be clear given the context of our discussion that I was referring to Portugal's drug policies. Let me rephrase then. Are you aware of the drug policies in Portugal and the impact that they have had?

If not, perhaps google a little, there is plenty of info and I would be interested whether you still think legalizing it will not help.

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Portugal is not free of drug users, don't misunderstand. There will always be users and the dealers to supply them. It is how we deal with this and the broader effects on society that are important.
 
Fudzy said:
The war on drugs is a complete and utter waste of time, money and people's lives. Legalising is really the only and last approach to sorting this problem out.
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I think that decriminilising it would be far more effective than flat out legalising it. Lock up the dealers and not the junkies.
 
Datura said:
I think that decriminilising it would be far more effective than flat out legalising it. Lock up the dealers and not the junkies.
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Agreed, but then who is going to be responsible for the supply?
 
Datura said:
I think that decriminilising it would be far more effective than flat out legalising it. Lock up the dealers and not the junkies.
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Yes, agree. Sorry, wasn't being as clear as I should be. I think there are classes of drugs that should be totally legalized, cannabis, for example. All drug use should be legalized/decriminalized for users and drug dealing should be illegal, sure, but without the massive waste of resources that are being thrown at an unfixable problem.

If it was really about the addicts and compassion for their plight, societies would look after them rather than throwing them in jail. The drug war has become a self sustaining industry and the scary thing is the people fighting the war have so much invested in it, it is certainly not in their best interests to actually solve the problem.
 
Nothxkbi said:
I think the large problem is the revenue generating from drugs is often linked gangs and crime, for instance if drugs were legalized here, they would still be illegal in south america. We would be accused of funding the criminal underworld, of buying guns that kill cops and innocent familes. Unless the entire world legalized drugs tomorrow, its just not going to work out.
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Portugal did it with a total degree of success. Point is, fighting an unwinnable war is useless. Pretending that war is working to prevent (baseless) accusations is just immoral.
 
The_Pumpkin_King said:
what? that just makes the dealers business leagel, then you cant do anything to them.

how did you even pull that idea out your ass? :eek:
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Examined the model of an entire country that decriminalized drug use. Dealing is still illegal, sorry for the confusion. So no, I am not pulling anything out of my ass.
 
copacetic said:
Heard of Portugal?



Okay, let's be logical here - If the war on drugs around the world has failed utterly with regards to being heavy handed on the dealers and users and this is indeed the case, why expend the unnecessary effort? It is a waste of resources that could be better used helping the drug addicts and removing them from the clutches of the dealers. It is really not too complex.

Dealers will never be out of business, quite right. Any dealer that gets taken out will be replaced by another ten. There will always be addicts and there will always be dealers so I ask, what the **** is the point of extra violence that demonstratively has sweet ****all effect in actually helping the problem?

Harm reduction is the sensible course here, not totally pointless heavy handed tactics, that do not work.
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I think the large problem is the revenue generating from drugs is often linked gangs and crime, for instance if drugs were legalized here, they would still be illegal in south america. We would be accused of funding the criminal underworld, of buying guns that kill cops and innocent familes. How about the countries like Afhganistan, Pakistan and many countries in Africa where drug revenue is used to fund Al'Qaida and Taliban and other militant extremist gangs.

Bottom line, even if it were legalized here, your money will still be going somewhere else to fund corruption, murder and violence.
 
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Portugal has a population of 10m

SA has a population of 50m+ of which more than half live below the poverty line who are the ones most affected by drugs, especially tik
 
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