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Ok so the debate about whether Fernando Torres should be in Spain's World Cup starting lineup in the semi-final against Germany continue ahead of Spain's run towards the final of the World Cup. Del Bosque is considering dropping him to the bench for the game and replacing him with Fernando Llorente.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: I think Torres should start. He does create space for everyone around him, just watch the 3 or 4 defenders that he draws in and then frees the next man up with sublime passing. What I found interesting about the Torres vs Llorente substitution vs Portugal, was that Llorente simply stayed front and center and did nothing other than wait for the ball. Torres can do that too, if instructed to. What annoyed me about that game was how much ball Llorente proceeded to get from his team mates, where Torres had practically been starved off the pitch. He's out there, chasing the gaps, and his team mates are too busy passing laterally or waiting for Villa or Xavi to get into position.

I also believe that Spain's "slow" style of passing and patient build ups doesn't suit Torres. He's the best at beating offside traps, but by the time his team mates are done building up and the ball actually gets to him, his run has been picked up by the defenders already. Hope this World Cup makes him realize that this is what would occur if he went to Barcelona. I so hope he realizes it.

I would like cantera's (or something like that) views on this.
 
dinko9 said:
Ok so the debate about whether Fernando Torres should be in Spain's World Cup starting lineup in the semi-final against Germany continue ahead of Spain's run towards the final of the World Cup. Del Bosque is considering dropping him to the bench for the game and replacing him with Fernando Llorente.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: I think Torres should start. He does create space for everyone around him, just watch the 3 or 4 defenders that he draws in and then frees the next man up with sublime passing. What I found interesting about the Torres vs Llorente substitution vs Portugal, was that Llorente simply stayed front and center and did nothing other than wait for the ball. Torres can do that too, if instructed to. What annoyed me about that game was how much ball Llorente proceeded to get from his team mates, where Torres had practically been starved off the pitch. He's out there, chasing the gaps, and his team mates are too busy passing laterally or waiting for Villa or Xavi to get into position.

I also believe that Spain's "slow" style of passing and patient build ups doesn't suit Torres. He's the best at beating offside traps, but by the time his team mates are done building up and the ball actually gets to him, his run has been picked up by the defenders already. Hope this World Cup makes him realize that this is what would occur if he went to Barcelona. I so hope he realizes it.

I would like cantera's (or something like that) views on this.
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english game vs spanish game ;)

Spain slow build up, english fast paced raging bull! Don't forget Del Bosquet is focusing his attacks with Xavi, Villa, Ineista... Torres must fend for himself :D
 
Personally think they should drop Torres and start with a proper 5 man midfield that includes Fabregas. My 2c.
 
Fabregas will never start if he plays the 5 man midfield. unless Xavi doesnt start , Fabregas got no place in a 5 man midfield
 
dinko9 said:
Ok so the debate about whether Fernando Torres should be in Spain's World Cup starting lineup in the semi-final against Germany continue ahead of Spain's run towards the final of the World Cup. Del Bosque is considering dropping him to the bench for the game and replacing him with Fernando Llorente.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: I think Torres should start. He does create space for everyone around him, just watch the 3 or 4 defenders that he draws in and then frees the next man up with sublime passing. What I found interesting about the Torres vs Llorente substitution vs Portugal, was that Llorente simply stayed front and center and did nothing other than wait for the ball. Torres can do that too, if instructed to. What annoyed me about that game was how much ball Llorente proceeded to get from his team mates, where Torres had practically been starved off the pitch. He's out there, chasing the gaps, and his team mates are too busy passing laterally or waiting for Villa or Xavi to get into position.

I also believe that Spain's "slow" style of passing and patient build ups doesn't suit Torres. He's the best at beating offside traps, but by the time his team mates are done building up and the ball actually gets to him, his run has been picked up by the defenders already. Hope this World Cup makes him realize that this is what would occur if he went to Barcelona. I so hope he realizes it.

I would like cantera's (or something like that) views on this.
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Yep, this is the hot topic. Has been for sometime.

My view is simple.

Drop Torres! You just have to. Torres is a great player but unfortunately he is out of form. His first touch is horrible. His runs make him look like he isnt fully fit. You note that Spain's buildup doesnt suit Torres, i dont think thats the problem, because Spain has played this way for a NUMBER of years and Torres has excelled with this style before.

I dont believe a World Cup is a tourney where a player can ''hopefully' find form. A World Cup semi final? I would rather start Llorente, he gives Spain a different approach. My Barcelona blood is itching to see Pedro start next to Villa, his pace will cause Germany problems. His in form, much more than Torres.

However, i believe the best option is to have Cesc slot into the midfield. Xavi, Iniesta and Cesc have the ability to destroy any midfield by themselves. This would probably be my best option. Spain can use Cesc just behind Villa which will give him freedom to play without worry because Xavi will be behind him. Then Cesc and Iniesta can switch positions, slotting Cesc next to Xavi with Iniesta supporting Villa.
 
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dinko9 said:
Ok so the debate about whether Fernando Torres should be in Spain's World Cup starting lineup in the semi-final against Germany continue ahead of Spain's run towards the final of the World Cup. Del Bosque is considering dropping him to the bench for the game and replacing him with Fernando Llorente.

My personal opinion on this is as follows: I think Torres should start. He does create space for everyone around him, just watch the 3 or 4 defenders that he draws in and then frees the next man up with sublime passing. What I found interesting about the Torres vs Llorente substitution vs Portugal, was that Llorente simply stayed front and center and did nothing other than wait for the ball. Torres can do that too, if instructed to. What annoyed me about that game was how much ball Llorente proceeded to get from his team mates, where Torres had practically been starved off the pitch. He's out there, chasing the gaps, and his team mates are too busy passing laterally or waiting for Villa or Xavi to get into position.

I also believe that Spain's "slow" style of passing and patient build ups doesn't suit Torres. He's the best at beating offside traps, but by the time his team mates are done building up and the ball actually gets to him, his run has been picked up by the defenders already. Hope this World Cup makes him realize that this is what would occur if he went to Barcelona. I so hope he realizes it.

I would like cantera's (or something like that) views on this.
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The Spanish style of play worked for him before when he was at Atletico. i think Torres has gotten to use to being the center of attention in Liverpool now that he is no longer the center of attention he is struggling.
 
mmmig said:
The Spanish style of play worked for him before when he was at Atletico. i think Torres has gotten to use to being the center of attention in Liverpool now that he is no longer the center of attention he is struggling.
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He has scored goals at International level even when he played in the EPL.

He is out of form and it is evident when he plays. A team cannot depend on a striker who is out of form in the hopes that he fires them into the World Cup final.

Oh how i wish this would happen!
 
I would play Villa upfront and Fabregas floating behind him. Fabregas is a prolific finisher and is great at drawing players towards him as well. Think he needs to be given a chance to prove himself in the Spanish team.
 
phiber said:
I would play Villa upfront and Fabregas floating behind him. Fabregas is a prolific finisher and is great at drawing players towards him as well. Think he needs to be given a chance to prove himself in the Spanish team.
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Exactly what I would do. Fabregas will have the freedom to be very creative behind Villa and leave the midfield work to Iniesta and Xavi.

I would swop Iniesta and Cesc every 20 mins and give Iniesta the chance to support Villa, drop Cesc back to midfield. He will slot in with no problems.

Between Iniesta and Cesc, one of them will create something special for Villa.
 
Pedro proved to be the secret weapon for Spain. His start showed what Spain was missing in attack at this World Cup. From the start he was better than Torres, right up until he saw his name in lights when he should have passed to Torres at the end. By then he had already made Germany look second best. Inexperience getting the better of young Pedro.

What a talent he is.
 
Cantera said:
Pedro proved to be the secret weapon for Spain. His start showed what Spain was missing in attack at this World Cup. From the start he was better than Torres, right up until he saw his name in lights when he should have passed to Torres at the end. By then he had already made Germany look second best. Inexperience getting the better of young Pedro.

What a talent he is.
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What a sitter he missed to put spain 2-0 up, what was he thinking? Then again this is Torres, he's short of match fitness, could have ballooned it :D
 
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fishfly said:
What a sitter he missed to put spain 2-0 up, what was he thinking? Then again this is Torres, he's short of match fitness, could have ballooned it :D
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Showing his inexperience there. Probably saw his name in lights.

This was only his 4th game for Spain, the others were friendlys where he came off the bench. So he did extremely WELL.
 
his inexperience? man Cantera what are you smoking. how can you call Torres inexperienced?

Even though he is a scouse! the man is one of the best players in the world. show some respect now alright.
 
I think Genius was referring to Pedro there.
 
I hope he starts Torres in the finals, I know he isn't fully on form just yet but there are signs indicating that he's ready to get back to his best.

And we all know Fernando Torres is a "big match player", he performs best when the pressure and heat is on. His quality is undeniable and I'm a huge fan, hope he starts and scores on Sunday.
 
UltimateWarez said:
his inexperience? man Cantera what are you smoking. how can you call Torres inexperienced?

Even though he is a scouse! the man is one of the best players in the world. show some respect now alright.
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LMAO!

Inexperience my arse, he was just seeking to be a glory boy and hope his name would be HIGHLIGHTED in BOLD on newspapers around the world... Guess Del Bosquet didn't like his antics and decided to take him off :D
 
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