Transmute vs Flask Master

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Almost 300 Alchemy on my level 42 Druid. I need to know which is better for what. I can see Transmute being good to make gold as you can transmute ores to sell for more. Playing the AH will then be your main aim.

Then you get Flask master. These are the guys who make all the nice pots :)

Now I'll be a healer at end game so Pots will be a big thing for me. My problem is this:

Will I make enough Gold doing Flask master to make up for all the gold I lost out leveling my Alchemy? (Lets face it, low level pots don't sell for shyt.) Or should I just take transmute and then buy the flasks I need when we raid?

Pls guys I need someone with experience in the above 2 disciplines to help me choose one. I need to know the pros and cons
 
Transmuting sucks for me. I used to have it in TBC, never was worth it. Once I got a 4xPrimal Might transmute proc, that's about it. Other less useful procs, never brought in the big bucks. I moved over to flask mastery, and getting more procs more often, makes it feel more useful for me. Besides, I can as non-transmute master still do all my regular transmutes daily and be 2 or so units behind in a weeks transmutes compared to a transmute master. But lets makes flasks together and my master comes in really handy then. This is all based on TBC experience though, but I can't imagine and havent heard that it got any better.
 
Transmuting sucks for me. I used to have it in TBC, never was worth it. Once I got a 4xPrimal Might transmute proc, that's about it. Other less useful procs, never brought in the big bucks. I moved over to flask mastery, and getting more procs more often, makes it feel more useful for me. Besides, I can as non-transmute master still do all my regular transmutes daily and be 2 or so units behind in a weeks transmutes compared to a transmute master. But lets makes flasks together and my master comes in really handy then. This is all based on TBC experience though, but I can't imagine and havent heard that it got any better.

So let me understand this then.

I can still transmute even as a Flask Master? Be it very limmited. I know that on Making Pots one will be able to make about 3times more with normal mats than a transmute would. Meaning I can make a Stack of pots with mats for about 8 as an example.

Is that the difference? The Procs on crafted pots and Transmutes or is there something else to it?
 
I found this ver informative post:

http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthread.php?t=389000&page=2
From where I stand on this, Alchemy Transmute isn't that great.

Check out this thread

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...71853967&sid=1


Out of 11 pages you see about 2-3 people getting a proc of 4-5 mights, and the rest transmuting 10-20 times and getting nothing or transmuting 10x and getting it to proc once or twice.

The thing with elixirs is you can proc flasks and elixirs all day non-stop, no cooldown. Lets look at it like this as to whose making the bigger profit. Transmute masters can make elixirs, but they won't proc, their transmutes have a chance to proc every 24 hours. Elixir masters can still do transmutes btw, so all of those times the master transmuter gets nothing, the elixir mastery can also be transmuting everytime his cooldown is up.

Lets do the math

Transmute mastery has a % chance to proc a transmute every 24 hours, but has the ability to still do normal elixiring

Elixir masteries % chance to proc another elixir/flask ANYTIME (including free vials from it), plus a transmute every 24 hours, but no chance to proc more transmutes.

Now combine the profit made by proccing elixirs/flasks anytime, combine it with the profit from the elixir masteries transmutes, and compare it to all of the times the master transmuter got nothing...i'm seeing elixir mastery as the best choice for me.

Based on this alone I can take Elixir master and still do Transmutes without the procs within a set CD period. As to where I can proc Flasks the whole day. So with this in mind I would assume Flask master would be better then.
 
traitor.. what ever happened to you leveling your warrior?:)
 
traitor.. what ever happened to you leveling your warrior?:)

I'll get there :o

For now I'm having the time of my life on my Druid. You should check in from time to time :p This is the server you got me onto btw... Maybe once the Druid is max level I'll transfer it to your realm to support my Warrior. But only time will tell.
 
I'll get there :o

For now I'm having the time of my life on my Druid. You should check in from time to time :p This is the server you got me onto btw... Maybe once the Druid is max level I'll transfer it to your realm to support my Warrior. But only time will tell.

Will try, busy tanking ulduar now, and my guild pretty much raids every night until like 1am :|
 
it dont matter skwat. You need to be 68 to pick up the quest to become a master of whatever :p I'm a flasker on my Dk but whit epic gems transmuts and maybe getin 2 or 4 gems sound grate
 
it dont matter skwat. You need to be 68 to pick up the quest to become a master of whatever :p I'm a flasker on my Dk but whit epic gems transmuts and maybe getin 2 or 4 gems sound grate

It's called planning ahead ;)

I'm trying to make sure I don't select the wrong discipline when that day comes ;) However currently I'm leaning towards Flask master. Reading up on it a little more actually said that the procs on Endless rage and Frost Wyrm flasks = MASSIVE CASH.

Since the new content is out it seems players are running through flasks more than any other thing in WoW these days.
 
yup getin 4 flasks for 1's mats are be cool but the best is your flasks and stuffs last 2 hours and the extra heal you get and changein mastery only costs what 150g
 
Found this little gem of an article :)

http://nub2pro.com/making-gold-with-elixer-mastery/comment-page-2/

Elixir Mastery
Making money with crafting professions has long been thought to be the domain of the lucky few that managed to get hold of rare patterns or recipes. This series of articles will show in detail how you can profit from crafting professions with just normal, trainer or easily acquired recipes. You do not even need to have the crafting professions yourself. A friend or a guildie can serve just as well.

This article will teach you how Alchemy (specifically, Elixir Mastery) can make you rich just by following a few easy steps. Flasks are going to be the item of choice. Of all the Flasks available, 3 of them will usually see the most action:

• Flask of the Frost Wyrm – 1 Frost Lotus, 5 Lichbloom, 5 Icethorn
• Endless Rage Flask – 1 Frost Lotus, 7 Lichbloom, 3 Goldclover
• Stoneblood Flask – 1 Frost Lotus, 7 Lichbloom, 3 Crystallized Life

Before you embark on this money making enterprise, you need to prepare:

1. First do your research. Watch the Frost Lotus, Lichbloom, Icethorn and Goldclover markets during the week, paying special attention to the weekend rush. During the weekend a large number of very casual players come online and – pressed by need and time – dump large stocks of crafting materials on the market at lower prices. They end up undercutting each other and thus drive the prices down, much lower than their normal weekday average.

2. Watch the flask market. You need to know what flasks sell, which are undersupplied, which do not move. In general, Flasks of the Frost Wyrm and Endless Rage Flasks sell best, followed at a distance by Stoneblood Flasks. There is also a small market for Flasks of Distilled Wisdom, but usually it is not worth investing much effort in acquiring the old world mats needed to craft them. Oddly enough the Flask of Pure Mojo sells the worst out of all the Flasks, so do not bother with those unless you find the situation different on your particular server.

3. Find a friendly Elixir Master. Having Alchemy helps a lot of course and cuts this step out of the process, but in general Elixir Mastery is the most common Alchemy Mastery around and you are bound to have a few Masters in your guild.

4. Create an alt and post him near an Auction House. Sell and buy mostly through the alt, that way you can buy and sell to your own guild as well as other players. The second advantage to having a dedicated Auction House character is that you do not need to fill up your main’s mail and bank with the tons of materials and finished products that make up the bulk of your business, nor do you need to travel with your main to capital cities in order to inspect the status of your auctions.

Once all these points have been covered, you are ready to start making gold. The process is extremely simple and all it requires is 20-30 minutes per day. As per your research on herb and flask prices, use the weekend to buy the cheapest Frost Lotuses, Lichbloom, Icethorn and Goldclover stacks off the Auction House. Remember to check the Auction House several times on Sunday and Saturday as most of the time you can snap up half priced herbs before the competition.

Buy the Frost Lotus first! It is the lynchpin of Flask creation, so the number of cheap Frost Lotuses you acquire dictate the number of other herbs you need to buy. Some weeks you might see hundreds on the Auction House, while others you can barely scrape half a stack.

When the weekend is over and your stock is complete, get a hold of your Elixir Master and have him do his thing by turning herbs into flasks. Send the flasks to your alt and post them on the Auction House. The best days to post your flasks are the few weekdays after the raid reset – Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Friday is already a weekend day as far as Auction House activity is concerned.

Caution! Do not post more than a few flasks at a time, preferably in different stacks – 1,2,5,10 – priced slightly lower than the competition (slightly means 1 silver less, not 5 gold). Spamming the market with all your stock at one time will not allow you to properly deal with undercutters.

How It’s Done
Now that the boring theory part is over, there is no better way to show you exactly how this works except by telling you exactly how I did it.

Start funds: 1500 gold – this is not a small sum, but it is one that will suffice for the purpose of showing how much profit you can make with a relatively safe investment.

Weekend purchases:

40 Frost Lotus – 800g - 20g average (30g average during the week)
Lichbloom – 12 stacks – 396g – 33g average (42-45g average during the week)
Icethorn – 5 stacks – 150g – 30g average (38-40g during the week)
Goldclover – 2.25 stacks (45 goldclover) – 22.5g – 10g average (15-20g during the week)
Crystallized Life – 1 Eternal, 5 Crystallized Life – 12g – 8g average (10-11g during the week)
Enchanted Vial – 40 – 32g
Total gold spent – 1412.5g – 87.5g left

I talked a guildie(Elixir Master) into mixing them into: 40 Flasks of the Frost Wyrm – 20 Frost Lotus, 5 stacks of Lichbloom, 5 stacks of Icethorn – 20 Enchanted Vial – due to procs ended up with 48 Flasks of the Frost Wyrm
30 Endless Rage Flasks – 15 Frost Lotus, 5.25 (105) stacks of Lichbloom, 2.25 (45) stacks of Goldclover, 15 Enchanted Vials – due to procs I ended up with 34 Endless Rage Flasks
10 Stoneblood Flasks – 5 Frost Lotus, 1.75 (35) stacks of Lichbloom, 15 Crystallized Life, 5 Enchanted Vials – due to procs ended up with 14 Stoneblood Flasks

Basic weekday prices on my server – 31g per Flask of the Frost Wyrm
28g per Endless Rage Flask
33g per Stoneblood Flask (though the price is higher, there are far fewer tanks purchasing this flask than DPS or healers)

Auctioning all the Flasks on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday completely dried up my stock. I had to let a few go at below than average prices, but even then the profit speaks for itself:
48 Flasks of the Frost Wyrm – 28g average – 1344g
34 Endless Rage Flasks – 25g average – 850g
14 Stoneblood Flasks – 30g average – 420g
Total gold obtained – 2614g
Expenses – 1412.5g
PROFIT – 1201.5G

That’s right, in a single week, just by watching the Auction House 10 minutes a day, I almost doubled my initial investment. Could I have made more? Sure, I could’ve priced my Flasks higher but for this test I really wanted to sell them all rather than be left with a few for the weekend. Also I got somewhat lucky with procs, but even without them I would’ve made 850-900g profit.

This is just one of the ways to easily make money using crafting professions, usually other people’s crafting professions. You do not need rare recipies, you do not need rare materials. All it takes is courage, a little up front cash and a bit of time to monitor your Auction House niche.

Other Auction House forays (for Tailoring, Blacksmithing, Jewelcrafting, Inscription, Enchanting and even other Alchemy Masteries) will follow in other articles.

Conclusion
If you want to learn even more strategies for making a lot of money I recommend you checkout my Gold Guide at www.wowtycoon.com. It contains 200 pages of pure gold making strategies.
 
I have been a potions master for a while during TBC, as I constantly used 10-20 mana pots per raid and the procs kept me able to suply my own pots atleast. At the end of TBC and when raiding got more serious, mana pots become less important and those elixers and flasks started to cost me a lot more, so I switched. I have never been an AH guru, but from my own pocket's point of view Elixer mastery is worth a lot more.

Transmutes, never really tickled my fancy ;)
 
This is what I was thinking.

1. I have a few pots one side so if someone wants me to make them flasks I take the mats and give them pots Don;t want them to see the procs.
2. The procs I keep for my raiding and the crafted Pots I sell.

That way I supply myself and make gold at the same time :)

Sounds good to me :p
 
Sounds bad to me ;)
People usualy asks an elixer master to make their elixers and flasks, in the hope that they do get some procs.
I have always given people the full ammount of pots incl procs. Now and then I was given some pots back as a thank you, or those people were again available to me later when I need a craft or two.
 
Sounds bad to me ;)
People usualy asks an elixer master to make their elixers and flasks, in the hope that they do get some procs.
I have always given people the full ammount of pots incl procs. Now and then I was given some pots back as a thank you, or those people were again available to me later when I need a craft or two.

Well I'm not a City dweller tbh :D So that will hardly ever happen where I have to make pots for someone else. But selling my Crafts and living of the procs on my mats sounds like a fair deal to me :)
 
Ofc, taking your procs of your own mats is a fair deal. But don't count on it... I have once made 400 Elixers with less than 10 extra elixers from procs.
I see procs only as a bonus.
 
You wont make much money with alchemy Im afraid. Maybe the new transmutes changes the field a bit, but I doubt it at the end of the day. To choose a mastery I asked myself what would benefit me more.

In TBC I had pot mastery, since mana pots sold for insane prices on raid days. It also helped me bring down the cost of my own raiding. The procrate is/was quite nice as well. (I was playing a resto shaman, and before wotlk popping pots was pretty much required)

In WOTLK I switched to Flask mastery. Pot mastery is longer usefull since you can only pop 1 potion per fight, and dps potions (haste for me) ultimately brings greater benefit. Flasks is your highest raid expense, so it was an obvious choice for me.

I guess my advise is to decide what will benefit you more, not what will make you more money, as questing and dailies will bring in alot more money at the end of the day.
 
...mmm...

Heard a rumour which might change my mind when it comes to doing Alchemy instead of transmute. Can someone confirm that Transmute: Titanium doesn't have a Cooldown anymore?

I smell thousands of gold to be made :p
 
I was a flask master and gave up on it.. flasks you have to work hard and long for the cash. I dropped herbalism for mining.. and have taken on transmutation. Not only do my earthsiege diamonds sell from 75-90g on my server, but I make a fortune out of selling minerals.

Herbs were just not getting the same prices for the same amount of work.

Transmuting saranite into titanium has a cool down. Diamonds do not.
 
I was a flask master and gave up on it.. flasks you have to work hard and long for the cash. I dropped herbalism for mining.. and have taken on transmutation. Not only do my earthsiege diamonds sell from 75-90g on my server, but I make a fortune out of selling minerals.

Herbs were just not getting the same prices for the same amount of work.

Transmuting saranite into titanium has a cool down. Diamonds do not.

Apparently that changed or is due to change in the next patch. I'll check it quick, found it dated 23/10/2009 on another forum they saw it's on MMO-Champion so I'll go search for it there quickly.

I love farming, it's part of WoW. That was the reason I wanted to go Flask master instead. That and the fact that I want to be Resto on my druid at level 80. So that should help then. But let me first try and find the source to that Titanium thingy :p
 
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