Tricky geyser questions.... (Maybe./)

mrb13676

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Morning folks.

We're really struggling with our hot water.
Situation currently - 300L solar/electric geyser (3Kw). 4 people in the main house, 2 in the domestic workers quarters. We struggle endlessly with providing enough hot water.

While it would be great if everyone showered/bathed at the end of the day when solar had done most work, practically this isn't possible - we exercise in the mornings and we need hot water in the am.

The geyser is controlled by Home Assistant using a Sonoff temp probe - I have it set to go on in the early afternoon and off in the late evening. Then it goes on again at 04h00 and off at 09h30 or 10h30 depending on the wife's schedule and whether she needs hot water later in the am. The temp is set on the Sonoff to 49deg - which feels plenty hot coming out of the geyser.

What we find is that after an average bath, or two (not long) showers, the geyser temp falls rapidly and it's >1h before its warm enough to have a shower with no added cold water.

I've been considering some options:
1. Gas geyser on the bathrooms in the main house to supplement (ie further heat the geyser heated water) the hot water. So the water from the geyser will pass through the gas geyser and get boosted if need be. This will kepe the tribe of the long hair happy in that there will always be hot water. - COST: ±R30000 for a 20lpm gas geyser, 2x19kg cyliners and the installation. - then gas prices (but I'd think the usage would be lower because the water would already be somewhat heated?

2. Increase the geyser setpoint temp so that more cold water needs to be added and less hot water drawn from the geyser - my theory is that the average water temp after a bath/shower event should be higher? But maybe I don't understand how geysers work.... COST: Who knows - but the I suspect this may not help because the geyser is barely getting to temp before it's raided anyway.....

3. Reactivate the old 150L electric geyser languishig in the roof and use it exclusively for the top of house (kitchen) and domestic quarters... COST: whatever the replumbing cost is plus the electricity cost of running that geyser in addition to the 300L solar.

Is anyone able to make any sense of this conundrum or have any other ideas? The solar geyser has been a disappointment and water heating costs are killing me (but not as much as the long faces around insufficient hot water..... :))
Mike
 
I have a 16lpm gas geyser and find it quite sufficient. I don't think a 20 is necessary. You could also cut costs there by having a 19kg and a 9kg as backup instead of 2 x 19kg bottles.
 
I have a 16lpm gas geyser and find it quite sufficient. I don't think a 20 is necessary. You could also cut costs there by having a 19kg and a 9kg as backup instead of 2 x 19kg bottles.
Thanks - will make enquiry about these - agree 2x19kg seems a lot.
Look at converting the 300L geyser to a heat pump (efficient + works when the sun isn't shining)

Also set your geyser to a safer temperature 55+
Thanks - have made the adjustment.
 
I have a 150L geyser that is always on 24/7 and I see that it consumes 300-350 per month on electricity
That's R450 by next year and R550 by end of next year. However the more electricity you buy, the more you will pay. So most likely R900 by end of next year.

Bastard maths.
 
1 - Set geyser to 60 deg
2- Get a gas geyser, constant flow Rianni is best.
3 - Gas to supply the kitchen 100% and the geyser to flow through the gas geyser (you'll find the constant use of water in the kitchen reduces the temp drastically)

Problem will be solved
 
I don't have upfront money for a solar/gas geyser. After looking at all these stories of different people, I feel its better for me to continue supporting Eishcum in addition to GangSARS/COJ/VAT/potholes/......
I understand. Just making a point that the R350 you paying is going to be only a lot more very soon. So it is not really a solution to the OP's issue, as it won't just be R350.
 
Your temp is set too low,
you "water down" the hot water too much by draining the geyser with every shower/bath . up the temp to 60 and it will be better
 
Also look at cutting off the kitchen from the main geysers and using an under counter geyser for the sink - far more efficient as the hot water is available immediately. Dishwashers and washing machines should be connected to cold water already
 
Morning folks.

We're really struggling with our hot water.
Situation currently - 300L solar/electric geyser (3Kw). 4 people in the main house, 2 in the domestic workers quarters. We struggle endlessly with providing enough hot water. /snip.
That is a lot of people wnating to draw hot water at more or less the same time every day.
The temp is set on the Sonoff to 49deg - which feels plenty hot coming out of the geyser.
Too low! Set the geyser to 60 degrees or even 65 degrees and then people will draw a mix of hot water and cold water, instead of one person using all the available hot water for themselves.
Besides, 49 degrees is right in the middle of the range that all sorts of bacteria thrive in. The regs already call for the temperature to exceed 60 degrees at least once every 24 hours.
 
Also look at cutting off the kitchen from the main geysers and using an under counter geyser for the sink - far more efficient as the hot water is available immediately. Dishwashers and washing machines should be connected to cold water already
This makes a huge difference. We got one installed, and get hot water in about 3 seconds, compared to around 4 minutes before (and we can now turn off one geyser, since it's now only used for a second bathroom). It cost about R6300 installed. It's non-pressurised, so it has some differences to normal taps (like, it dribbled when heating up).
 
This makes a huge difference. We got one installed, and get hot water in about 3 seconds, compared to around 4 minutes before (and we can now turn off one geyser, since it's now only used for a second bathroom). It cost about R6300 installed. It's non-pressurised, so it has some differences to normal taps (like, it dribbled when heating up).

They are life changing for kitchens. I installed mine myself and I haven't had any dribbling from the tap however I think mine is set at a fairly low temp.
 
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