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Adenoid Hynkel
Executive Member
I am sure TRL tech does not use their own account for debiting, rather a provider like netcash.
Maybe give netcash a call and enquire with them. Explain to them your situation and I am sure they will put his account on hold until investigation has been completed on netcashes side.
Maybe give netcash a call and enquire with them. Explain to them your situation and I am sure they will put his account on hold until investigation has been completed on netcashes side.
unskinnybob
Expert Member
Must differ from bank to bank. If I issue a stop on a debit order with Nedbank, the stop is good for the next 3 months.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
3 months? Its supposed to be 6 months..
Another reason I'm leaving Nedbank actually.... they have some of the most assbackwards policies.
Sounds good
This sounds good. However 3 months? why not forever?
I have also heard that a debit order can only be stopped on the exact amount debited. iow you do not stop a debit order from debiting you stop a exact amount from been debited. So what some companies do is they change the debit amount with a few cents, and it will hapily go through. I DO NOT know if this is true!!
Maybe someone with 1st hand knowledge can comment.
One thing I do know is that the whole debit order system leaves much to be desired. But it is working so well for business and the banks and the customers conveniance, that the amount of error and fraud happening is "acceptable" compared the amount of money banks and business make of it. The only thing that makes EFT better compared is the control the customer have on funds paid, but its not more conveniant than the debit order.
So I do EFT......
This sounds good. However 3 months? why not forever?
I have also heard that a debit order can only be stopped on the exact amount debited. iow you do not stop a debit order from debiting you stop a exact amount from been debited. So what some companies do is they change the debit amount with a few cents, and it will hapily go through. I DO NOT know if this is true!!
Maybe someone with 1st hand knowledge can comment.
One thing I do know is that the whole debit order system leaves much to be desired. But it is working so well for business and the banks and the customers conveniance, that the amount of error and fraud happening is "acceptable" compared the amount of money banks and business make of it. The only thing that makes EFT better compared is the control the customer have on funds paid, but its not more conveniant than the debit order.
So I do EFT......
Zewp
Banned
So, what's the status on the situation here. Curious the hear if you guys got everything sorted out in the end.
Zewp
Banned
Bump.
Still no status update? Would like to know if this ever got resolved, seeing as a certain brand of rum is defending TRLtech again while slandering other ISPs.
Still no status update? Would like to know if this ever got resolved, seeing as a certain brand of rum is defending TRLtech again while slandering other ISPs.
now now lets play nice. He did not really slander Openweb.....
Zewp
Banned
Well, slander is a bit harsh. More like giving Openweb crap over petty things while letting TRL get away with fraud. 
Still, just curious whether Crysis ever got his stuff sorted? Or did Reuben tell him he can only get his money back if he stops posting updates to this thread?
Still, just curious whether Crysis ever got his stuff sorted? Or did Reuben tell him he can only get his money back if he stops posting updates to this thread?
dagelf
Active Member
This makes me sad.
I signed up with TRL over the phone, after they answered some tough questions... for a month-to-month pre-paid service. I paid, they activated it... it worked for a month.
I used it on and off over a time... some months I didn't use it, some months when I'd need it, I'd pay, they'd activate it, and I'd use it... until one month I paid, and the service worked for a few days and then stopped working. Their website happened to be offline everytime I checked, and their phones didn't work, over a period of several weeks... so I forgot about them and wrote off the money I paid, thinking they went bust like so many fly-by-night companies did back then.
Then, a few months ago, I apply for an increase in my credit card limit at the bank, to get me through the month... lo and behold, I'm declined. Why? There's a JUDGEMENT against me!?
So I research the legal processes involved and it turns out they claim to have attached a summons to my door... one I clearly never got! Also, the summons is for me to appear in a court that is an 8 hour drive from where I live! Not only that, when a case that you are involved in, goes to court, and you're not there, you lose!
And what do I owe? Monthly fees for four months after the month that my service stopped working before I could use it! According to them, I agreed to a 30-day notice period when I signed up and supposedly I never cancelled the service. According to that logic, I'm surprised they're not trying to claim R30k+ from me for the months since, since I have to date not cancelled anything... as little as I ordered anything or signed any sort of contract.
We did argue this in email and over the phone... and he even agreed to refund 75% of the amount, if I paid 25%. I naturally refused, claiming he owed me the fee for the month of service that I in fact paid for but it didn't work! Our last communication was via phone, and the conversation ending with him saying "OK" and putting down the phone. Naturally, I expected that he has dropped the whole thing.
Next thing I find out about it is from the bank, who refuses to honor the new credit limit they marketed to me. Thankfully this all happened just after I got a bond, else I'd not have been able to take up the opportunity of a lifetime - buying a house at a really amazing price.
So this is all really annoying. But I suppose it's not much in a country where the bigger picture consists of two police chiefs who were fired, one who is in jail, and a president who spends the entire education budget of one province on a private mansion.
But the moral dilemma remains... do I quit my job and take off time to fight this and do my bit to fix the system that lead itself to this exploitation... or do I just pay what is in effect a legal form of extortion?
Look, my philosophy in life is that I if I can't pay for it up front, I don't want it. But the world isn't wired this way, and you can't live like this unless your parents left you at least a house. Which they didn't. Anyways, if anyone has any leads... that does not involve the bad guys getting the money, please let me know. Thanks.
Or Reuben, if you ever read this. Make things right... I'm sure whatever went wrong wasn't necessarily your fault, but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
What really annoys me is that there's not even a way to prevent this... it's not like you can call every single court every month to find out if someone made a case against you so you can defend yourself. The only thing you can do is to protect your private information as fiercely as possible... keep a list of everyone you give it to, and make a case against everyone who even tries to disagree with you... and take screenshots, photos and keep an exact diary of dates and times of every single little thing, so you can use it to defend yourself when the time comes.
I signed up with TRL over the phone, after they answered some tough questions... for a month-to-month pre-paid service. I paid, they activated it... it worked for a month.
I used it on and off over a time... some months I didn't use it, some months when I'd need it, I'd pay, they'd activate it, and I'd use it... until one month I paid, and the service worked for a few days and then stopped working. Their website happened to be offline everytime I checked, and their phones didn't work, over a period of several weeks... so I forgot about them and wrote off the money I paid, thinking they went bust like so many fly-by-night companies did back then.
Then, a few months ago, I apply for an increase in my credit card limit at the bank, to get me through the month... lo and behold, I'm declined. Why? There's a JUDGEMENT against me!?
So I research the legal processes involved and it turns out they claim to have attached a summons to my door... one I clearly never got! Also, the summons is for me to appear in a court that is an 8 hour drive from where I live! Not only that, when a case that you are involved in, goes to court, and you're not there, you lose!
And what do I owe? Monthly fees for four months after the month that my service stopped working before I could use it! According to them, I agreed to a 30-day notice period when I signed up and supposedly I never cancelled the service. According to that logic, I'm surprised they're not trying to claim R30k+ from me for the months since, since I have to date not cancelled anything... as little as I ordered anything or signed any sort of contract.
We did argue this in email and over the phone... and he even agreed to refund 75% of the amount, if I paid 25%. I naturally refused, claiming he owed me the fee for the month of service that I in fact paid for but it didn't work! Our last communication was via phone, and the conversation ending with him saying "OK" and putting down the phone. Naturally, I expected that he has dropped the whole thing.
Next thing I find out about it is from the bank, who refuses to honor the new credit limit they marketed to me. Thankfully this all happened just after I got a bond, else I'd not have been able to take up the opportunity of a lifetime - buying a house at a really amazing price.
So this is all really annoying. But I suppose it's not much in a country where the bigger picture consists of two police chiefs who were fired, one who is in jail, and a president who spends the entire education budget of one province on a private mansion.
But the moral dilemma remains... do I quit my job and take off time to fight this and do my bit to fix the system that lead itself to this exploitation... or do I just pay what is in effect a legal form of extortion?
Look, my philosophy in life is that I if I can't pay for it up front, I don't want it. But the world isn't wired this way, and you can't live like this unless your parents left you at least a house. Which they didn't. Anyways, if anyone has any leads... that does not involve the bad guys getting the money, please let me know. Thanks.
Or Reuben, if you ever read this. Make things right... I'm sure whatever went wrong wasn't necessarily your fault, but two wrongs doesn't make a right.
What really annoys me is that there's not even a way to prevent this... it's not like you can call every single court every month to find out if someone made a case against you so you can defend yourself. The only thing you can do is to protect your private information as fiercely as possible... keep a list of everyone you give it to, and make a case against everyone who even tries to disagree with you... and take screenshots, photos and keep an exact diary of dates and times of every single little thing, so you can use it to defend yourself when the time comes.
dagelf
Active Member
The irony here is that this is exactly what he did to me. Two wrongs doesn't make a right!
Revenge doesn't solve anything. Yes, it may give him some taste of what he did to me and how it inconvenienced me... but what if the only reason he did this to me in the first place was because someone did it to him? Where will it end?
I'm sure if I could visit him and talk to him and explain to him how he inconvenienced me, in a non accusing manner, he would set things right... problem is, I can't exactly drive 8 hours for the hell of it... to look for someone who probably doesn't even live where he listed himself as living.
There has got to be another, easier way. One that stops this abuse of the law!
crysis
Expert Member
Sorry for the thread necro, but I just recently started thinking about the outcome of this, and I know a few people wanted an update.
Well.... (drum roll)... I didn't get to see any of the money owed to me. I hope anyone thinking about doing business with Reuben Leach will think twice.
And to think he is still trying to harass ex customers to try and get some more money out of them makes me sick.
Well.... (drum roll)... I didn't get to see any of the money owed to me. I hope anyone thinking about doing business with Reuben Leach will think twice.
And to think he is still trying to harass ex customers to try and get some more money out of them makes me sick.