Ultimate PC - your recommendations

All right,

I am going to be frank and just bluntly say that everyone except for about two people in this thread have a brain. Why have I come to this conclusion this you may wonder? Well simplistically it is in the answers to this man’s question.
His description on what he wants to do is as far from GAMING as it gets and people have not grasped that concept. I know as a fact that I love gaming computers, I recommend them, I love to build them, however let’s be practical. He needs a computer that is reliable and can perform under stress. Not graphical stress but typical application stress.
In all due respect, money is always an issue. Trust me, you don't want to spend over 50K on a computer, because the Price for performance margin drops dramatically and for what you need, you need to spend at most 25k even less.
2x GTX 295's, and i7 Extreme? Are you sodding mad? These are high performance gaming components. For a workstation as they call it, you would most likely favor RAM over graphical power. 4870 or the 4850 can run 2x 42 inch plasmas easily or even go to the green side and get a GTX 275, or even a GTX 260. These are all valuable options that won’t break the bank. Having firsthand experience with 2x GTX 295's all I can say is that for gaming they shine, but other than that there really is no point for them.
On top of that a Core i7 920 will suffice with more than enough power for you and it will last you for 10 years, trust me. Don’t bother with a cool box that says “extreme” it’s a marketing tactic for the no brainers. You do not need a high performance motherboard, one that is basic and can handle up to 24GB of ram would be nice, and however 12GB of ram is perfect again for what you need. If you want a minimal non noticeable performance increase in the OS and with file access then go SSD, however in my honest opinion I would not do this. At the moment it’s a waste of money. Normal HDD are still perfectly fine and they work. As all computer geeks will say “if it isn’t broke don’t fix it”. So all in all here is what I recommend.
Intel Core I7 920
12GB of DDR3 1600mhz Ram
1x 128 GB SSD (For OS)
X amount of normal HDD’s (1.5TB) for long term storage (you choose the variable X) (raid 5 recommended)
ATI 4870
Antec P150 (Simple Yet elegant)
ASUS Mobo (with appropriate socket)
Unfortunately I am writing this at school and the internet is extremely slow so I am having difficulties pulling up price lists. If you want the exact cost I can find them however it should be easy enough with the above list.
Best of luck,
Andrew
 
I would rather get a workstation card than one that is a gaming card personally.
I also wouldnt go the route of the i7, I would get a *workstation* board (not a desktop pc board) and a quad xeon to go with that. Add a stack of RAM and you will be in business.
 
Why do you need a workstation card with cuda though?

Not many basic motherboards support 24gb so i fail to grasp your argument there.
 
ammac341 said:
Intel Core I7 920
12GB of DDR3 1600mhz Ram
1x 128 GB SSD (For OS)
X amount of normal HDD’s (1.5TB) for long term storage (you choose the variable X) (raid 5 recommended)
ATI 4870
Antec P150 (Simple Yet elegant)
ASUS Mobo (with appropriate socket)
Unfortunately I am writing this at school and the internet is extremely slow so I am having difficulties pulling up price lists. If you want the exact cost I can find them however it should be easy enough with the above list.
Best of luck,
Andrew
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17 year old always know best :D

Agree with RB ,a proper workstation board with quad Xeon will be better for a machine like this. If not a Quadro graphics card go for something newer and a bit more powerful than 4870(not a dual card though), preferably with a good HSF to.
 
ammac341 said:
All right,

I am going to be frank and just bluntly say that everyone except for about two people in this thread have a brain. Why have I come to this conclusion this you may wonder? Well simplistically it is in the answers to this man’s question.
His description on what he wants to do is as far from GAMING as it gets and people have not grasped that concept. I know as a fact that I love gaming computers, I recommend them, I love to build them, however let’s be practical. He needs a computer that is reliable and can perform under stress. Not graphical stress but typical application stress.
In all due respect, money is always an issue. Trust me, you don't want to spend over 50K on a computer, because the Price for performance margin drops dramatically and for what you need, you need to spend at most 25k even less.
2x GTX 295's, and i7 Extreme? Are you sodding mad? These are high performance gaming components. For a workstation as they call it, you would most likely favor RAM over graphical power. 4870 or the 4850 can run 2x 42 inch plasmas easily or even go to the green side and get a GTX 275, or even a GTX 260. These are all valuable options that won’t break the bank. Having firsthand experience with 2x GTX 295's all I can say is that for gaming they shine, but other than that there really is no point for them.
On top of that a Core i7 920 will suffice with more than enough power for you and it will last you for 10 years, trust me. Don’t bother with a cool box that says “extreme” it’s a marketing tactic for the no brainers. You do not need a high performance motherboard, one that is basic and can handle up to 24GB of ram would be nice, and however 12GB of ram is perfect again for what you need. If you want a minimal non noticeable performance increase in the OS and with file access then go SSD, however in my honest opinion I would not do this. At the moment it’s a waste of money. Normal HDD are still perfectly fine and they work. As all computer geeks will say “if it isn’t broke don’t fix it”. So all in all here is what I recommend.
Intel Core I7 920
12GB of DDR3 1600mhz Ram
1x 128 GB SSD (For OS)
X amount of normal HDD’s (1.5TB) for long term storage (you choose the variable X) (raid 5 recommended)
ATI 4870
Antec P150 (Simple Yet elegant)
ASUS Mobo (with appropriate socket)
Unfortunately I am writing this at school and the internet is extremely slow so I am having difficulties pulling up price lists. If you want the exact cost I can find them however it should be easy enough with the above list.
Best of luck,
Andrew
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Thanks child... get back to class now.

When you 20 years of industry experience then come back.

Also if you read what the OP said he wanted a PC that would last 10 years.... to do this he needs a latest and greatest. Having a good GPU is essential even for a workstation when you have multiple windows open.
 
Lol... Telling a kid to go back to school...?

You guys are the idiots, and I fully agree with ammac341.

So here's MY suggestion to get a pc that will last you 10 years:

Buy ammac341's pc. Maybe trade the 4870 for a 4890/5850.
Now, when you install your windows, make sure you change your default documents location to a different drive than the one the Operating system is on.

Then, upgrade to something 50x as fast as all these idiots are saying in 5 years' time, and point your new windows' installation to your old documents.
You will even be able to do that with programs as well with a few registry edits. (Moving without re-installing)
You will still have money left.


OK, now my question to the guys like "Nerfhurder"..
I need a car that will last me 50 years, what should I get? (Quick tip: Bugatti Veiron is NOT the answer because it's the most expensive.....)
I think the answer to his 10-year-pc should be that there isn't really anything that can keep up with all the tech changes over that period of time. Now I know you said your old pc did, but my word, I'm struggling to believe you.

Because that meant you had something like a 3.0GHz P4 instead of a 2.4GHz P4 (about the same diffs back then as i7 920 vs i7 975XE is today).
 
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Nerfherder said:
Thanks child... get back to class now.

When you 20 years of industry experience then come back.
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Maybe you need to go to school again? Just a hunch.... (see above quote and spot abnormality)

Thanks Frag, finally someone who sees the realism of the situation!

Indeed a server motherboard and processor would be ideal but it really steps the price up in my opinion. Rather go with an I7 because it has incredible potential. Also yes one of Nivida's work station cards would be super!

-a
 
ammac341 said:
Maybe you need to go to school again? Just a hunch.... (see above quote and spot abnormality)

Thanks Frag, finally someone who sees the realism of the situation!

Indeed a server motherboard and processor would be ideal but it really steps the price up in my opinion. Rather go with an I7 because it has incredible potential. Also yes one of Nivida's work station cards would be super!

-a
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Young man did you see the OP?

Let me scream it at you.

MONEY IS NO OBJECT. Now i come back to your comment about all the brainless people recommending very high spec pc's and then i read your above post about a motherboard and processor adding to the cost when quite clearly MONEY IS NO OBJECT was mentioned. I could say something in regards to the no brains comment but i will wait for you to stop sucking your thumb.
 
Killadoob is right - if the man wants a sports car let him buy a sports car. Flip... Recommending a r10,000 pc when he quoted a budget of r50,000.

And look - on benchmarks at stock speed (which he will most likely run at) a 975 will destroy a 920 flat out. So let him get the best he can afford.
 
that enables up to 870MB/s read and 780MB :eek:

There is another one that frontosa are selling, a raided 4 disk 64gb x 4 array that reads and writes at over 1000mb/s both ways, cost 29999 ex vat :D
 
killadoob said:
Young man did you see the OP?

Let me scream it at you.

MONEY IS NO OBJECT. Now i come back to your comment about all the brainless people recommending very high spec pc's and then i read your above post about a motherboard and processor adding to the cost when quite clearly MONEY IS NO OBJECT was mentioned. I could say something in regards to the no brains comment but i will wait for you to stop sucking your thumb.
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Let me scream back at you... oh wait ill just hold the caps lock button....

Firstly, I am not the one raging which solidifies my point, well points I make on all fourms that there are filled with ignorant lifeless morons that will at any time jump down someones neck. Anyway that aside. Money may be no object, but I am being REALISTIC. Think about what he needs not what we WANT him to get. A simplistic question in my eyes.

Why don't you STOP and think about your next post. Try to THINK about being realistic. Just try to THINK. Hard yes I know for the narrow minded. *sigh*

What you need > What people think you need

Be smart, save money > Being ignorant and listen to people here

Being realistic is getting what you need to be successful!

I rest my point,

-a
 
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Yeah but even if you were thinking about his needs you still undershot what he actually wanted to get by quite a wide margin.
 
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