Uncapped 2 x Concurrent ADSL Connection SP?

[eagle2k]

Hi,

I see some old threads relating to concurrent connections on 1 x Account and 2 ADSL lines.

Is there any SP I can look at - Axxess no longer do more than 1 x concurrent connection.

I have the same problem (remote office being used every 3 months) and my home connection.
Would really be more affordable if I could get a 4Mbps line with 2 concurrent connections

 

[DJ...]

Crystal Web Uncapped Business accounts support this without any additional config on your end.

If there is a pressing and legitimate need for concurrency on a normal uncapped account we'll consider it as well and adjust where need be on a case-by-case basis...

 

[eagle2k]

Will it be balanced when both connections are being used? or halved?

 

[DJ...]

Will it be balanced when both connections are being used? or halved?

If we allow both full speed, it's the equivalent of two accounts and we'd have to charge accordingly. The ordinary implementation is that the bandwidth for the accounts is split between the two locations dynamically, so if one side is using nothing the other will get full throughput. Each carry 50/50 weightings in priority so it will be evenly split between the two locations if both demand the bandwidth...

 

[eagle2k]

Will it be a better option to take a 8Mbps package and when it comes to the office and home requiring full speed it would then run 4Mbps at each location? We will keep our lines with telkom at 4Mbps of course. but when both locations need fast internet the "8Mbps package" is available 50/50

 

[falcon786]

Hi,

I see some old threads relating to concurrent connections on 1 x Account and 2 ADSL lines.

Is there any SP I can look at - Axxess no longer do more than 1 x concurrent connection.

I have the same problem (remote office being used every 3 months) and my home connection.
Would really be more affordable if I could get a 4Mbps line with 2 concurrent connections

Surprisingly the solution to you problem with both concurrent connections run at full speed lies in Telkom uncapped.I used it for a year or two until I upgraded one line to 20Gb vdsl so now I have two separate capped accounts where as in the past I had one Telkom 4mb uncapped account and both lines always received 4mbps throughput even when used at the same time.

 

[DJ...]

Will it be a better option to take a 8Mbps package and when it comes to the office and home requiring full speed it would then run 4Mbps at each location? We will keep our lines with telkom at 4Mbps of course. but when both locations need fast internet the "8Mbps package" is available 50/50

Yes that would be ideal. The alternative is capped which operates at full lines speed at all locations it is connected to...

 

[DJ...]

Surprisingly the solution to you problem with both concurrent connections run at full speed lies in Telkom uncapped.I used it for a year or two until I upgraded one line to 20Gb vdsl so now I have two separate capped accounts where as in the past I had one Telkom 4mb uncapped account and both lines always received 4mbps throughput even when used at the same time.

I know why that happened, but it's not the way the product was designed. It's a problem and one they (I believe) have rectified, although in some cases on some products it may not be possible.

It's not a design feature, but rather a hit and miss configuration issue. Not really ideal if it's not a feature as it's not a solution one can rely on long-term or even short-term. We've identified this on our side a few times and rectified pretty quickly. Telkom may be a bit of a slower boat to turn but that doesn't mean it won't...

 

[eagle2k]

Would it then work like this:

1 x telkom line rental of R189 @ office
1 x telkom line rental of R189 @ home

1 x 8mbps package incl 1 x ADSL line rental (Bundled?) primarily for home

Using username and password on both routers will then give me 4mbps on each site

No need for activating another adsl line or something at the office with telkom etc?

 

[Bryn]

Hi,

I see some old threads relating to concurrent connections on 1 x Account and 2 ADSL lines.

Is there any SP I can look at - Axxess no longer do more than 1 x concurrent connection.

I have the same problem (remote office being used every 3 months) and my home connection.
Would really be more affordable if I could get a 4Mbps line with 2 concurrent connections

Why do you need uncapped? Capped accounts for high usage levels have become super affordable in recent years. And they allow concurrent connections.

 

[eagle2k]

we would be running an online web server transferring quite big amounts of data. And everything being processed would be uploaded to secure cloud services as well. As for maximum speed in the area (4mbps) it is.

I guess I could go capped but it would be a great problem if we would reach our cap. The servers are being used for national schools which is being transferred to an online Schooling project. This system is being used in India, and we have one of the designers of this system assisting us in implementing this system. Every 3 x months 2 or 3 schools will be transferred. Meaning that each computer class will be downloading and transferring data from this office using uncapped. SSH and all the software will be on this server at the office being online. And all the technicians will then be off-site to do the upgrades. I guess if there was an app to check the data if something would stall. But with uncapped we don't have to predict how much data would be used for each school has different needs and no estimate of how many computers would be upgraded.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated as well. I am one of the network administrators of this project. And this is the first time being actively active on this forum.

The reason why I would do this you ask and not use government funding for this advanced method

1. This is my idea and a much better and faster and convenient method
2. Compared to their method: Using the schools own or using flash drives
3. The download speed from the official server in India takes quite a while and therefor we'd be able to download it to our servers at office to implement over the net to schools. Of course we would be using flash drives for some of the software and solutions. But mostly it's going to run from the official server
4. Convenient for everyone because most national schools lock up at 2 or 3pm with usually no one to ask to unlock and disarm everything. Everything is going to happen in school hours only for computer classes of course. Would be offline for a day or two with everything set up already at the office. (Excluding networking in classrooms)
Would take a week if we'd have to do everything off the main server.

 

[falcon786]

I know why that happened, but it's not the way the product was designed. It's a problem and one they (I believe) have rectified, although in some cases on some products it may not be possible.

It's not a design feature, but rather a hit and miss configuration issue. Not really ideal if it's not a feature as it's not a solution one can rely on long-term or even short-term. We've identified this on our side a few times and rectified pretty quickly. Telkom may be a bit of a slower boat to turn but that doesn't mean it won't...

Not really a fault. ..they specified 2 concurrent connections on their website at the time and I confirmed telephonically with them that it would indeed support two lines at full speed. ...like I said it worked over three years ago and probably still does.

Would it then work like this:

1 x telkom line rental of R189 @ office
1 x telkom line rental of R189 @ home

1 x 8mbps package incl 1 x ADSL line rental (Bundled?) primarily for home

Using username and password on both routers will then give me 4mbps on each site

No need for activating another adsl line or something at the office with telkom etc?

It works exactly like that with Telkom as your ISP except you don't need to pay for an 8mb uncapped account....you pay for a 4mb account.

Cheaper solution.

 

[DJ...]

we would be running an online web server transferring quite big amounts of data. And everything being processed would be uploaded to secure cloud services as well. As for maximum speed in the area (4mbps) it is.

I guess I could go capped but it would be a great problem if we would reach our cap. The servers are being used for national schools which is being transferred to an online Schooling project. This system is being used in India, and we have one of the designers of this system assisting us in implementing this system. Every 3 x months 2 or 3 schools will be transferred. Meaning that each computer class will be downloading and transferring data from this office using uncapped. SSH and all the software will be on this server at the office being online. And all the technicians will then be off-site to do the upgrades. I guess if there was an app to check the data if something would stall. But with uncapped we don't have to predict how much data would be used for each school has different needs and no estimate of how many computers would be upgraded.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated as well. I am one of the network administrators of this project. And this is the first time being actively active on this forum.

The reason why I would do this you ask and not use government funding for this advanced method

1. This is my idea and a much better and faster and convenient method
2. Compared to their method: Using the schools own or using flash drives
3. The download speed from the official server in India takes quite a while and therefor we'd be able to download it to our servers at office to implement over the net to schools. Of course we would be using flash drives for some of the software and solutions. But mostly it's going to run from the official server
4. Convenient for everyone because most national schools lock up at 2 or 3pm with usually no one to ask to unlock and disarm everything. Everything is going to happen in school hours only for computer classes of course. Would be offline for a day or two with everything set up already at the office. (Excluding networking in classrooms)
Would take a week if we'd have to do everything off the main server.

You need fibre or dedicated wireless. We can assist with that via our business sales channels, but copper based home DSL is not the right choice for your connectivity requirements. If your exchange is limited to 4Mbps it means your area has never been upgraded with MSAN infrastructure, so is unlikely to ever be upgraded, and will either already be, or become congested. You cannot place such an integral aspect of this project in contended copper wires and exchanges.

To be honest we can assist with an MPLS direct into the cloud, or a dedicated fibre or wireless link, but you are opting for the wrong technology and choice of connectivity medium from a medium-term perspective by choosing DSL copper on old infrastructure limited to 4Mbps without any direct connection to the cloud service, and with additional latency overhead that you really don't want either...

 

[DJ...]

Not really a fault. ...

That's an 8Mbps peak information rate configuration, else the network controller would cap it at 4Mbps PIR. Also, I know why it may have worked for you and why it may not for others and it has to do with the IPC locations. More than that I cannot divulge, but needless to say I doubt Telkom configure their 4Mbps with a PIR of 8Mbps or you'd see 8Mbps on a line capable of it. Unless they've gone for funky configs and believe it has no impact on contention if the controller is trying to allocate more than what is applicable for the speed account.

As the CEO of an ISP I cannot understand why, other than a fault, anyone would sell a 4Mbps account and configure it as an 8Mbps account. It makes no sense other than it being a fault...

 

[netstrider]

we would be running an online web server transferring quite big amounts of data. And everything being processed would be uploaded to secure cloud services as well. As for maximum speed in the area (4mbps) it is.

I guess I could go capped but it would be a great problem if we would reach our cap. The servers are being used for national schools which is being transferred to an online Schooling project. This system is being used in India, and we have one of the designers of this system assisting us in implementing this system. Every 3 x months 2 or 3 schools will be transferred. Meaning that each computer class will be downloading and transferring data from this office using uncapped. SSH and all the software will be on this server at the office being online. And all the technicians will then be off-site to do the upgrades. I guess if there was an app to check the data if something would stall. But with uncapped we don't have to predict how much data would be used for each school has different needs and no estimate of how many computers would be upgraded.

Any suggestions would be highly appreciated as well. I am one of the network administrators of this project. And this is the first time being actively active on this forum.

The reason why I would do this you ask and not use government funding for this advanced method

1. This is my idea and a much better and faster and convenient method
2. Compared to their method: Using the schools own or using flash drives
3. The download speed from the official server in India takes quite a while and therefor we'd be able to download it to our servers at office to implement over the net to schools. Of course we would be using flash drives for some of the software and solutions. But mostly it's going to run from the official server
4. Convenient for everyone because most national schools lock up at 2 or 3pm with usually no one to ask to unlock and disarm everything. Everything is going to happen in school hours only for computer classes of course. Would be offline for a day or two with everything set up already at the office. (Excluding networking in classrooms)
Would take a week if we'd have to do everything off the main server.

Doesn't sound like the best idea for me to use 4Mb over copper - remember your upload is only 512kbps which translates to a maximum of 64KBps with which any one connection may download from the office.

In the real world you won't even get the full 64KB, and will get something closer to 50. Split that up between several simultaneous downloads and you see the problem...

Even with 40Mbps VDSL your upload is still only 3Mbps I believe which, again, is a maximum of 384KBps under ideal conditions so a fibre solution with a bigger upload threshold will be much better if you can afford it.

 

[Thor]

Hi,

I see some old threads relating to concurrent connections on 1 x Account and 2 ADSL lines.

Is there any SP I can look at - Axxess no longer do more than 1 x concurrent connection.

I have the same problem (remote office being used every 3 months) and my home connection.
Would really be more affordable if I could get a 4Mbps line with 2 concurrent connections

Get a capped account and run concurrent connections?

Why do you need uncapped?

It's a myth and I bet you you do not use the 600Gb range of data that even then doesn't even warrant a uncapped account.

Get a lekker 50gb - 100gb account from afrihost which is completely zero rated after hours and run it on both lines no problem.

 

[Thor]

Edit see you have a 4Mbps line.


Get a 50gb capped account with the unlimited afterhours data and run it concurrent.

Cheap and effective

 

[Thor]

R100 P/M