Uncapped ADSL Viable?

Galahad

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I would like to ask the question from those informed:-

If in principle (at current prices) these services can succeed? By that I mean can ISP make an acceptable return on their investment and have satisfied clients.

Our short history of 'uncapped' services has been fraught with unfulfilled promises and much frustration on both sided. Regularly accusations are recorded here of unethical accounting practises and unresponsive help from Service providers.

The indications clearly point to a lack of regulation and regulatory machinery.
 
It's unsustainable... Sorry I just had to throw it in there :D

I think it is viable, as long as people don't try and kill the ISPs by downloading as much as they can. I think as all the excitement dies down and everyone runs out of hard drive space the whole scene should stabilize.
 
If you go back to Seacom's original pricing posts;
Nowhere did their pricing say per gigabyte, their pricing is for the size of the pipe over a period of time;
So it is possible for an ISP to sign a 5 year contract on a good sized segment on the Seacom pipe;
It is also quite possible for them to get enough subscribers to use it every month to cover the cost over 5 years;

The REAL question is:
Will the subscribers still subscribe to a congested service?

The answer it seems is a resounding YES, simply because:

EVERY OTHER ISP WITHIN PRICE RANGE IS DELIVERING A SERVICE AS CONGESTED

So, the people that do swap to another ISP will soon come running back to the uncapped service.

i.e. Somehow MWEB have managed to congest Telkom Internet (SAIX) and the IS and the Verison backbone, which pretty much leaves nowhere to turn.
 
If you go back to Seacom's original pricing posts;
Nowhere did their pricing say per gigabyte, their pricing is for the size of the pipe over a period of time;
Yeah... but I think the original idea behind capping is not to pay for the backhaul but to limit usage.

The REAL question is:
Will the subscribers still subscribe to a congested service?

The answer it seems is a resounding YES, simply because:

EVERY OTHER ISP WITHIN PRICE RANGE IS DELIVERING A SERVICE AS CONGESTED
Well, maybe not. It's my understanding that those ISPs offering uncapped are all using the slow-as-molasses IS [satellite] backbone, wheras if you remain on a capped service you continue to use their Telkom (or whatever)-based fibre lines

Somehow MWEB have managed to congest Telkom Internet (SAIX) and the IS and the Verison backbone, which pretty much leaves nowhere to turn.
Maybe not, but I'd be interested to see some comprehensive comparison tests between uncapped and capped services, from the same and different ISPs. For my part, remaining on a capped-with-topup service, I've not noticed any degradation in line speeds since uncapped started sweeping the country.

BTW, M-Web have not been connected to Verizon for years, and as far as I know their connection to SAIX is only so that you the end-user can get onto the M-Web network; they are using MTN as their backhaul these days. At least, any traceroute I ever do from an M-Web ADSL account always shows a series of MTN routers before hopping onto the target's network.

I just had a conversation with a small 3rd-tier ISP who refuses to offer uncapped - he has had several customers switch to M-Web uncapped and after a week come back to him saying they found the service unusable. OK, take it from where it comes but I have dealt with him for a couple of years now and he appears to be completely ethical, and I doubt he'd spread false rumours without some sort of backup - gossip tends to some back to you, especially in a relatively small market like we have in SA.

There's also a caveat which no-one seems to be mentioning: M-Web's cheap uncapped offering is limited to private consumers i.e. if you use it for a business they will cut you off (exactly how they find you out I don't know - but they do!)
 
lol, please remember people have been bandwith starved in this country since the launch of ADSL, for many people things like YouTube streaming radio and Voip are brand new concepts to them, once their curiosity has been sated they will use it more responsibily
 
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