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[Ipwn 4]

Shouldn't make a difference what language you use although I do agree that the choice of Delphi in 2012 is a bit crazy. The language is still around and being released but certainly not one of the first choices for new projects. One big advantage it still has is compiling to native code and not requiring a JIT compiler or virtual machine on the target system. If I remember correctly, the only module that uses it is all about UI but they could use C# instead. This might have changed though since I studied there.

IMO as a programmer you should be versatile enough to work in any language, that makes you a valuable asset to any organization. I realize some people will disagree with me but I think it shows off your skills and differentiates you from others.

I agree completely, did Delphi 7 at school level, then moved over to java and I'm now doing C# at college... Al visual programming languages these days make use of oop principles and that made it quite easy for me to move between the languages. The reason I asked about Delphi was because people use to rip on delphi when I said that is the language I am currently doing, sort of got the general idea that Delphi is something of the past.

To be honest I really don't care in what language they teach me, I write pseudo code code on paper and draw class diagrams for the next 5 years, so long as I learn the techniques to code efficiently and effectively.

 

[zippy]

Then I might aswell do pseudocode? Just asking,no need for a hostile reply

he wasnt being hostile.

A structured language like delphi, i.e. pascal, is a very good way for beginniers to learn the concepts. I did that course ages ago. It is geared to beginners. I doubt UNISA will allow you to start their degree at 2nd year. You need to prove credit at another recognised university which matches that course and dont think organisations like VZAP and CTI qualify

 

[Ipwn 4]

Mind explaining the meaning before I misunderstand your statement as sarcasm?



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[renierp]

he wasnt being hostile.

A structured language like delphi, i.e. pascal, is a very good way for beginniers to learn the concepts. I did that course ages ago. It is geared to beginners. I doubt UNISA will allow you to start their degree at 2nd year. You need to prove credit at another recognised university which matches that course and dont think organisations like VZAP and CTI qualify

They are quite full of crap. I did a certificate at TUT a few years agu. Unisa granted me exception from 16 subjects towards a diploma, but would not give anything towards my degree. Had to start from scratch!

 

[Ipwn 4]

They are quite full of crap. I did a certificate at TUT a few years agu. Unisa granted me exception from 16 subjects towards a diploma, but would not give anything towards my degree. Had to start from scratch!

That's not really a problem for me...cti is bs!finding their course way too easy, was just wondering about UNISA's choice in languages.

I'm soo stoked to go there next year, can wait to learn something usefull!

 

[zippy]

Mind explaining the meaning before I misunderstand your statement as sarcasm?



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Their course content is also too practical and therefore the objectives are different to universities, which are more theoretical.

I have interviewed people with CTI qualifications. I found really good developers and really bad ones, so I cant really say whether CTI is a bad place or not. The individual has a lot to do with it, surely.

I myself did a VZAP course ages ago which I thoroughly enjoyed and I felt taught me a lot. I have never regretted doing it, but I know there are many with vastly different experience. However, I have to say, that I would have failed miserably at VZAP if I did not have prior developer experience. Just about everyone who dropped out where newbies with no commercial IT experience.

I think places like CTI and VZAP dont prepare people enough with no experience. There is more to software development than just coding.

Personally I will prefer a candidate with a university degree or technical college qaulification to one with only CTI/VZAP etc. The university degree indicates they have studied the theory. As a developer, i know that learning the languages is the easy part.

Yes, there are people without degrees who are better. So balancing experience with degrees needs to be done. This often means the person with 12 years experience is likely to get the job ahead of someone with 2 years experience and a degree. And if someone as 12 years experience and a degree, well. game over , unless ofc that person comes over as complete tool in the interview. No individual is worth screwing up the team that is already in place. Ever.

However, sometimes organisations look specificially for youngsters with no experience. I was involved in interviews of this nature. We where asked by managers to interview people straight out of school or college. We took on 2 guys. That was almost 8 years ago. I am proud to say both the guys we employed are still in the same company at much more senior levels. The one had a CTI paper. I cant say whether that was a significant factor. I think it was more to do with the fact that he was bright and a nice bloke