Unit Trusts worth it?

Yup. It's for a home loan deposit when the time comes.

I was just contemplating whether I should put more in there (like a lump sum now) or just leave it as is with the monthly debit order and put the extra funds elsewhere. Not going to completely kill it.

Another option is to now put lumpsum into the conservative fund, leave the rest where it is and change the debit order to be half conservative fund and half into one of the others. So discuss that with your advisor as an option too.
 
Ain't nobody got time for that. That's why I have a broker/adviser.

I'm just trying to get a feeler here for what's normal as it's always good having input from multiple sources. I can then take this info to my broker and ask him for further advice.

You may not have time for getting savvy about finances or investment tools, but honestly, it is worth your while to have a basic understanding. It may not interest you in any way, shape or form, but at least it will help you understand if your Financial Adviser (FA) is giving you good advice or slowly fleecing you.

It is unfortunate, but there are still some who are in it for self-enrichment (e.g. through selling investments which give them the best commission returns).

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So stick to your 5 year plan and re-evaluate at the end of the period.

As for the new money put that in somewhere else and make sure it diversifies from the UT's you have already.

Two things from this:

1.) Your FA should have done some sort of analysis with you to assess and understand your plan/s and appetite for risk. Not all investment tools are equal. Quite a few can be rated from conservative to moderate to aggressive. Your FA should have a good understanding of your appetite and have provided you with options accordingly.

My personal appetite mostly comes out as moderate to moderately aggressive. But that is because I have a longer term view and I am prepared to ride out the market's fluctuations. You will have your own appetite which (I think) should be in line with your timeline and plan/s.

2.) Diversification for the sake of diversifying alone isn't enough. An example of diversification would be a fund that focuses on the Top 40 and/or Property Top 10 and/or Financials and/or Global exposure.

Diversifying also means that there is little overlap in the types of companies into which they invest and/or the balance of the fund/s. For example, local equity (our JSE), international equity (such as index trackers), money market, property, etc.

Some are focused on dividend returns, but I have yet to see one that excels like this.

Different funds also have different ways to in which they buy into equity, weighting and quarterly re-balancing.

That true, makes me think of something to consider.

DrJohnZoidberg, are you definitely going to use the money within 5/4 years? (house deposit, education fees?)

If yes, and I think it will be yes, why else the timeframe, then that's why I say a conservative base with a growth component. The loses are minimal in my opinion at the moment so a switch will not that bad. It's true that market might grow a lot, as I said, no one bought resource shares/funds at the start of 2016, most pushed money overseas, and then those resource shares/funds did great, one just doesn't know and if you are conservative that's just not good.

Good comment/advice here ^ I am cautious of funds with too much exposure to resources. They are too volatile and would probably be the preference of an aggressive investor.

Your appetite appears to be toward something that delivers smoothed returns. Old Mutual offers something like this that guarantees a specific minimum return (others too?), but then the fees are a little higher than others. This is worth considering if you aren't looking to shoot the lights out.
 

RAS!


There ain't much to be said for them except that they have a very bizarre formula which makes sense for a incredibly small faction of investors. I gave up following them when they recommended selling ETF's which were solid performers. Maybe it works for them, but for the majority, know what you are doing before taking their advice.


More RAS!
 

Am I listening to the correct thing under "Download the audio file here or subscriber to our feed blah blah blah"?

I don't hear anything about ETF and index unit trust and comparing them and saying why index unit trusts or worse than ETFs? Maybe you can explain in your own words....
 
Am I listening to the correct thing under "Download the audio file here or subscriber to our feed blah blah blah"?

I don't hear anything about ETF and index unit trust and comparing them and saying why index unit trusts or worse than ETFs? Maybe you can explain in your own words....

Understanding that said forum member tends to limit posts to 10 words or less (with the emphasis on less), it is doubtful that there will be any explanation forthcoming. Pity, as it might have been illuminating to see his take on this.
 
Jesus McT, sorry I appear to be a thorn in your side.

@supersunbird, sorry man I'm on the phone that was the wrong link for some reason SwiftKey gobbled it up.

Here is the link I meant to send - https://justonelap.com/retirement-annuities/

The point I was going to make is that RAs are a dime a dozen I personally rather max out my TFSA and then put additional money into my other investment portfolios since the TFSA is capped at 30k only.

I know you said unit trusts. I'm getting to that. I just normally start with RA's since that normally the question that follows, retirement etc.

Here is the links I was about to post regarding the comparisons - https://justonelap.com/jsedirect-181-etfs-or-unit-trusts-and-preference-shares/ and also
https://justonelap.com/hating-unit-trusts/

I go would rather look at what the top performing funds do and mimick it myself, save on the management fees and trust they picked the stocks correctly since they have more insight than I do and with companies like EasyEquities now it makes mirror investing a walk in the park. Long gone are the days when you needed professionals and ridiculous fees and platforms.
 
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Jesus McT, sorry I appear to be a thorn in your side.

@supersunbird, sorry man I'm on the phone that was the wrong link for some reason SwiftKey gobbled it up.

Here is the link I meant to send - https://justonelap.com/retirement-annuities/

The point I was going to make is that RAs are a dime a dozen I personally rather max out my TFSA and then put additional money into my other investment portfolios since the TFSA is capped at 30k only.

I still think that Unit Trusts and ETF are much the same with some differences, Unit Trusts have some benefits and ETFs others, some types of products you can only easily access in ETFs and others only in Unit Trusts. There is even a space for Managed Unit Trusts...
 
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What the **** do ETFs and index Unit Trusts have to do with RAs? You are the only person to have brought up RAs and I can't see a reason for that.

You answered the guys question of if Unit Trusts are worth it with a "No", I assumed you were proposing ETFs? In which case, why is a ETF better than a index Unit Trust?

RAs were never mentioned so please shut up about them and focus on ETFs vs INDEX UNIT TRUSTS.


PS: I do hope you know the difference between Unit Trusts and Retirement Annuities...
Read my post in its entirety, I'm on my. Phone so you qouted me before I was done, I accidentally pressed enter, I prefer a actual keyboard over a phone, sucks balls.

Accept my apologies and amend your rant.
 
Read my post in its entirety, I'm on my. Phone so you qouted me before I was done, I accidentally pressed enter, I prefer a actual keyboard over a phone, sucks balls.

Accept my apologies and amend your rant.

Apology accepted and stop pre-empting the guy, he just asked if unit trusts are worth it and you said no. If you want to create content (aka a complex post) then rather wait till you get to a capable device, that's what I do.

Off topic:
I'm hating them and their slow talking podcasts, at least moneyweb transcribe their shows so I can quickly read them, this is all taking ages and I can't read and watch/listen to Brooklyn 99 at the same time...
 
True, I would also transcribe the podcast its better for SEO too.
 
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I'm hating them and their slow talking podcasts, at least moneyweb transcribe their shows so I can quickly read them, this is all taking ages and I can't read and watch/listen to Brooklyn 99 at the same time...

Thats why I prefer youtube, you can listen at 1.25 - 1.5x speed.
 
Read my post in its entirety, I'm on my. Phone so you qouted me before I was done, I accidentally pressed enter, I prefer a actual keyboard over a phone, sucks balls.

Accept my apologies and amend your rant.

Amended:

I still think that Unit Trusts and ETF are much the same with some differences, Unit Trusts have some benefits and ETFs others, some types of products you can only easily access in ETFs and others only in Unit Trusts. There is even a space for Managed Unit Trusts...
 
I go would rather look at what the top performing funds do and mimick it myself, save on the management fees and trust they picked the stocks correctly since they have more insight than I do and with companies like EasyEquities now it makes mirror investing a walk in the park. Long gone are the days when you needed professionals and ridiculous fees and platforms.

Wait, how would one go about that in practice? I mean, it's not like Allan Gray publishes changes to their unit trusts every day? Sure, I can view their minimum disclosure doc - that would reveal monthly changes (correct me if I'm wrong), but is that the best way here?
 
Wait, how would one go about that in practice? I mean, it's not like Allan Gray publishes changes to their unit trusts every day? Sure, I can view their minimum disclosure doc - that would reveal monthly changes (correct me if I'm wrong), but is that the best way here?
They are not going to chop and change Naspers everyday.

And all the funds publish the underlying companies - granted there are some more niche unit trusts that will work a bit differently sure, but to me in my own personal life those won't work for me so I do not care for it.

This is always a difficult topic to discuss becuase no matter what people will tell you they so not know what you want and what your goals are hence why you won't often find reliable advise everywhere or people that agrees since their goals, your goals are different.

Example, I personally would not buy gold, but I would buy woolies or steinhoff and keep it for 30 years to me that is sound to you that is not.

So point I'm making the unit trusts I track are not the ones that chop and change often are they the correct ones to track?, who knows, but they are the correct ones for me.
 
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