!!!University IT Graduates Needed!!!

Ulrich91 said:
@Galactica - No, however English is the preference, communication must be very good as this position is client facing.
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So why did you list Afrikaans as a requirement? Furthermore the fact that English is the preference is not mentioned on your advert.
 
@Galactica - Because Afrikaans isn't a must but it is a bonus and English is a preference is any company I should think...

Are you an IT Graduate?
 
I think it's disgusting that companies do this. These poor students must study for 3+ years (many making use of student loans) and then are subjected to little (or usually no pay) in the guise of "work experience" like companies are doing them a favour. These students are effectively working for free and hence being taken advantage of.

Yes, maybe they don't bring as much to the table as someone with more experience in the field but they have relevant experience in that they already studied 3 years or more and that learning just continues in life no matter what job. I think you have to be an absolutely vile individual to think this is ok. The idea of working is so that you can earn money and take care of yourself but people can't do that because companies just want to exploit free labour.

You should be ashamed of yourself!
 
^^vampire^^ said:
I think it's disgusting that companies do this. These poor students must study for 3+ years (many making use of student loans) and then are subjected to little (or usually no pay) in the guise of "work experience" like companies are doing them a favour. These students are effectively working for free and hence being taken advantage of.

Yes, maybe they don't bring as much to the table as someone with more experience in the field but they have relevant experience in that they already studied 3 years or more and that learning just continues in life no matter what job. I think you have to be an absolutely vile individual to think this is ok. The idea of working is so that you can earn money and take care of yourself but people can't do that because companies just want to exploit free labour.

You should be ashamed of yourself!
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Client facing points towards this being a consulting firm hiring new people and farming them out. I can promise you that they don't bill out these guys at recent graduate rates, if this is the case.
 
When I read this thread title, I hear "people who paid to study for years want a job that will give you experience, but pay you peanuts!?"
 
^^vampire^^ said:
I think it's disgusting that companies do this. These poor students must study for 3+ years (many making use of student loans) and then are subjected to little (or usually no pay) in the guise of "work experience" like companies are doing them a favour. These students are effectively working for free and hence being taken advantage of.

Yes, maybe they don't bring as much to the table as someone with more experience in the field but they have relevant experience in that they already studied 3 years or more and that learning just continues in life no matter what job. I think you have to be an absolutely vile individual to think this is ok. The idea of working is so that you can earn money and take care of yourself but people can't do that because companies just want to exploit free labour.

You should be ashamed of yourself!
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you beat me to it.

i worked for a company that would pay university graduate 2k a month as a sql dev. pathetic.
 
^^vampire^^ said:
I think it's disgusting that companies do this. These poor students must study for 3+ years (many making use of student loans) and then are subjected to little (or usually no pay) in the guise of "work experience" like companies are doing them a favour. These students are effectively working for free and hence being taken advantage of.
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Very true and the sad thing is that most students are in vulnerable positions and have no other choice. I've even seen some companies advertise it as "free training" (and I guess no salary) instead of "graduate program".
 
At the end of the day graduates have studied hard and if they are at any point giving their time to a company they should be compensated, even if they have no experience. To not pay them and make them work is worse than running a sweat shop, at least those people get paid. I would sooner slash my own wrists than take advantage of people like this and it's sad to see that so many companies take advantage of graduates in this vulnerable position just because the opportunity presents itself.

You would think companies would take the moral high ground or at least take a stab at changing the status quo on this but sadly a minor profit is worth more than a human beings dignity, self worth and self esteem. They also shoot themselves in the foot as those people who have studied look to these companies with deceit (and rightly so) and these people will either talk badly about the company therefore ruining their reputation or jumping ship as soon as they have a little experience under their belt.

A company should work to mould these individuals into positive contributors to society and allow them to grow positively and in properly supportive environment. This would also work well towards these people talking highly of these companies and even then if they decide to leave after a period of time these individuals can recommend such a company increasing the esteem and social standing of the company and increase business too.

Too bad companies favour the "don't work there they are bloody slave drivers" opinions nowadays.

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1.8k views must mean something...
i wonder how many applications this has received...probably hundreds
 
^^vampire^^ said:
At the end of the day graduates have studied hard and if they are at any point giving their time to a company they should be compensated, even if they have no experience. To not pay them and make them work is worse than running a sweat shop, at least those people get paid. I would sooner slash my own wrists than take advantage of people like this and it's sad to see that so many companies take advantage of graduates in this vulnerable position just because the opportunity presents itself.

You would think companies would take the moral high ground or at least take a stab at changing the status quo on this but sadly a minor profit is worth more than a human beings dignity, self worth and self esteem. They also shoot themselves in the foot as those people who have studied look to these companies with deceit (and rightly so) and these people will either talk badly about the company therefore ruining their reputation or jumping ship as soon as they have a little experience under their belt.

A company should work to mould these individuals into positive contributors to society and allow them to grow positively and in properly supportive environment. This would also work well towards these people talking highly of these companies and even then if they decide to leave after a period of time these individuals can recommend such a company increasing the esteem and social standing of the company and increase business too.

Too bad companies favour the "don't work there they are bloody slave drivers" opinions nowadays.

</rant>
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Hi Vampire

Thanks for the post. I would just like to clear the air about this position.

I'm Ulrich's team lead and we've been dealing with this client for over 4 years. Some of the Graduates that started back then and have gone through the program are currently still working for our client at one of SA's largest Corporate Investment Firms earning well over market related salaries. Some of them even work on projects at Banking clients which software you rely on to do basic transactions. I think this counts as being positive contributors to society.

My client is not a body shop that's in it for the profit but a professional services company that invest a lot of time and money in these graduates in order to upskill them. Graduates work in-house on projects, whether on the testing or development side, for a period of ±6 months before moving to one of their client sites in the Banking/Broadcasting/Financial Services. Only after about 12 months does my client start seeing some sort of profit.

Graduates start out on a reasonable salary and have milestones that they need to reach in order to receive increases. They go through training and write tests on 6, 9 and 12 months after which they receive increases every time if they pass their test.

Please do let me know if you need any more details on the program.
 
RuanErasmus said:
Hi Vampire

Thanks for the post. I would just like to clear the air about this position.

I'm Ulrich's team lead and we've been dealing with this client for over 4 years. Some of the Graduates that started back then and have gone through the program are currently still working for our client at one of SA's largest Corporate Investment Firms earning well over market related salaries. Some of them even work on projects at Banking clients which software you rely on to do basic transactions. I think this counts as being positive contributors to society.

My client is not a body shop that's in it for the profit but a professional services company that invest a lot of time and money in these graduates in order to upskill them. Graduates work in-house on projects, whether on the testing or development side, for a period of ±6 months before moving to one of their client sites in the Banking/Broadcasting/Financial Services. Only after about 12 months does my client start seeing some sort of profit.

Graduates start out on a reasonable salary and have milestones that they need to reach in order to receive increases. They go through training and write tests on 6, 9 and 12 months after which they receive increases every time if they pass their test.

Please do let me know if you need any more details on the program.
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Hi Ulrich

Thanks for clarifying with your post, I'm glad you are onboard with a reputable and respectable company.
My statements obviously still stand for those companies that are dodgey in the stated regard.
 
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