Upgrading RTX3060 card

[OnlyOneKenobi]

Just for gaming? Suppose you could go for a 4060 or 4070... I went with a 4070ti Super, mostly for AI stuff (16gb VRAM) but it is a significant boost for gaming as well. No regrets on skipping the 50x series as they are skimping on VRAM on all these cards except for the flagship 5090 which costs as much as a car...

 

[WonderMaximoff]

AMD got you covered

 

[Seph2k]

3060 12gb costs like 7k I don't think there are any options within 10k that have 12 or 16gb vram. Other than an alternative amd card which performance is roughly the same. I'm sure 4070ti is like over 10k and a 4060ti is on special for 11k

 

[AshTheGreat]

The AMD RX 9060 XT 16gb will likely be announced at this years Computex.
It might be something you're interested in.

 

[Rayne]

I see no reason whatsoever to buy them over nVidia though.

If you run into low frames in upcoming and demanding games on a 5060Ti one click solves your problem.

On a 9060XT you do what? Lower all your settings is what. These cards had better be very competitively priced.

Love or hate it but MFG is a thing, its a problem solver at entry level and its here to stay.

 

[AshTheGreat]

I see no reason whatsoever to buy them over nVidia though.

If you run into low frames in upcoming and demanding games on a 5060Ti one click solves your problem.

On a 9060XT you do what? Lower all your settings is what. These cards had better be very competitively priced.

Love or hate it but MFG is a thing, its a problem solver at entry level and its here to stay.

It is, if you don't mind higher input latency, ghosting, blurring, and animation errors.

 

[Rayne]

It is, if you don't mind higher input latency, ghosting, blurring, and animation errors.

Are you playing your games at 12% speed so that you can see the difference?

There's your answer.

Here's Stalker 2 right now on a 5060Ti 16gb cruising at 100fps average at 4k RT.

When the 9060XT 16gb launch, show me them doing that at same settings.

I'll wait.

 

[AshTheGreat]

It is, if you don't mind higher input latency, ghosting, blurring, and animation errors.

Like I said, if you don't mind or are not sensitive to the drawbacks of MFG then it is a problem solver.

 

[Scary_Turtle]

I see no reason whatsoever to buy them over nVidia though.

If you run into low frames in upcoming and demanding games on a 5060Ti one click solves your problem.

On a 9060XT you do what? Lower all your settings is what. These cards had better be very competitively priced.

Love or hate it but MFG is a thing, its a problem solver at entry level and its here to stay.

Fsr4 does the same thing, or you can use xess or tsr.

Same thing click the button.

In this case just select the best card at the best price, if 9060 comes in R4000 cheaper for 5% less performance it's a no brainer. But we have no clue on performance so tough to make a recommendation.

Plus seems like there is something dodgy going on with the 50 series, bad drivers, missing rops, burning cards. This gen seems a bit broken.

I have also used a 1080ti since 2017 and just upgraded to the 9070xt and it has been a seamless transition. Not a shill for either team just want the best bang for my buck.

 

[L-Dog]

The AMD RX 9060 XT 16gb will likely be announced at this years Computex.
It might be something you're interested in.

Also looking to build a new system in the next month or 2. Will be intresting to see how the 9060XT is prices, also looking at the 5060ti, 5070 and 7700 xt. Think the 5060 launches tomorrow but think it will be a dissapointment. Dont think a 8gb is worth it at the moment

 

[Lupus]

Fsr4 does the same thing, or you can use xess or tsr.

Same thing click the button.

In this case just select the best card at the best price, if 9060 comes in R4000 cheaper for 5% less performance it's a no brainer. But we have no clue on performance so tough to make a recommendation.

Plus seems like there is something dodgy going on with the 50 series, bad drivers, missing rops, burning cards. This gen seems a bit broken.

I have also used a 1080ti since 2017 and just upgraded to the 9070xt and it has been a seamless transition. Not a shill for either team just want the best bang for my buck.

The 1080ti is an ancient card now. I went from a 3070ti to the 9070 and it was not smooth at all.

 

[Scary_Turtle]

The 1080ti is an ancient card now. I went from a 3070ti to the 9070 and it was not smooth at all.

Agreed that's why I upgraded, I use a card until it can't play games anymore and 1080ti lasted 8 years which is incredible.

To be fair did many of the issues stem from not doing a fresh install?

 

[Lupus]

Agreed that's why I upgraded, I use a card until it can't play games anymore and 1080ti lasted 8 years which is incredible.

To be fair did many of the issues stem from not doing a fresh install?

Nah just games are more optimised for Nvidia had to go through config files, clear shaders and such.
Boot into safe mode and use ddu to remove drivers.

 

[Exaelea]

Nah just games are more optimised for Nvidia had to go through config files, clear shaders and such.
Boot into safe mode and use ddu to remove drivers.

To each their own, some have endless issues regardless if its team red/green/blue.

Myself, haven't had issues with Amd cards/drivers for 15 years+.. I even survived the 5700xt with zero issues.. and that was with a windows install that ran for many, many years and changed hardware a lot.

 

[NR7]

Are you playing your games at 12% speed so that you can see the difference?

There's your answer.

Here's Stalker 2 right now on a 5060Ti 16gb cruising at 100fps average at 4k RT.

4x MFG just to get 100fps, can't imagine how shite that latency must be. I bet Jenson wishes every customer was like you

 

[Rayne]

4x MFG just to get 100fps, can't imagine how shite that latency must be. I bet Jenson wishes every customer was like you

Erm, I've been PC gaming since 1996 and I've never owned an entry level card nor had to use MFG.

So no, I'm not his target audience.

But go ahead and buy your 9060 XT so that you end up playing your Unreal 6 games at 20fps come 2027 because it does not have 4x MFG.

You'll give your left nut for an extra frame then wont you?

 

[Exaelea]

Erm, I've been PC gaming since 1996 and I've never owned an entry level card nor had to use MFG.

So no, I'm not his target audience.

But go ahead and buy your 9060 XT so that you end up playing your Unreal 6 games at 20fps come 2027 because it does not have 4x MFG.

You'll give your left nut for an extra frame then wont you?

I'd rather not play the UE6 games than suffer high input latency with that framegen A lot of people notice input latency quite easily, others are oblivious somehow.

Not everyone gets mid-high range to play the newest eyecandy. Plenty buy "cheap" entry cards for their casual or indie games, which is more than enough for an enjoyable experience.

 

[NR7]

Erm, I've been PC gaming since 1996 and I've never owned an entry level card nor had to use MFG.

So no, I'm not his target audience.

But go ahead and buy your 9060 XT so that you end up playing your Unreal 6 games at 20fps come 2027 because it does not have 4x MFG.

You'll give your left nut for an extra frame then wont you?

Cool but all that doesn't change the fact that MFG on a 5060 is a **** experience.

Playing on a 5060 at 20fps internal framerate in your example with MFG 4x to +-75FPS is going to feel **** too buddy, but hey clearly you know better than every tech reviewer who says that MFG isn't for making unplayable framerates playable.

And even with the PS6 releasing at the end of 2027, the market is expected to remain cross gen with PS5 for the same +-4 year period as it was with the PS4. So a 9060XT 16Gb buyer is going to do just fine without MFG into the 2030s.

 

[Rayne]

Cool but all that doesn't change the fact that MFG on a 5060 is a **** experience.

Playing on a 5060 at 20fps internal framerate in your example with MFG 4x to +-75FPS is going to feel **** too buddy, but hey clearly you know better than every tech reviewer who says that MFG isn't for making unplayable framerates playable.

And even with the PS6 releasing at the end of 2027, the market is expected to remain cross gen with PS5 for the same +-4 year period as it was with the PS4. So a 9060XT 16Gb buyer is going to do just fine without MFG into the 2030s.

I don't know better than the tech reviewers. On that topic though which vid and tech guru exactly showed you that they couldn't play a game because MFG made it unplayable? Because I'm an avid follower with the belief that Linus is entertainment and Steve is Jesus so I make a point to watch stuff whenever I can and I fear I may have missed that specific video showing some poor guy trying to play an unplayable game.

Look, I'm not here to convince anyone, all I'm saying is that it should not be shot down so fast just because of hearsay. Its the entry level market that is going to make the most use out of it regardless whether base 20 or 60 fps these guys will squeeze it. Its an easy solution and its easy to implement whether the game supports it or not its 1 click in NVCP no dicking around with 3d party apps.

 

[Intox]

I don't know better than the tech reviewers. On that topic though which vid and tech guru exactly showed you that they couldn't play a game because MFG made it unplayable? Because I'm an avid follower with the belief that Linus is entertainment and Steve is Jesus so I make a point to watch stuff whenever I can and I fear I may have missed that specific video showing some poor guy trying to play an unplayable game.

Look, I'm not here to convince anyone, all I'm saying is that it should not be shot down so fast just because of hearsay. Its the entry level market that is going to make the most use out of it regardless whether base 20 or 60 fps these guys will squeeze it. Its an easy solution and its easy to implement whether the game supports it or not its 1 click in NVCP no dicking around with 3d party apps.

Digital Foundry on MFG in their 5080 review, direct quote below from the video when they were testing Alan Wake 2 with MFG.
Basically boils down to that you already need a playable experience for MFG to be usable, using it at 20fps isn't going to work it will be unplayable.

Richard Leadbetter from Digital Foundry, 5080 review

So to cut a long story short yes you can achieve higher frame rates on 5080 with multiframe gen versus 4090 at 2x frame gen but 4090 is delivering tolerable latency for this kind of game, while for me 5080 has crossed a threshold over 90 milliseconds latency with frame rates well north of 120 frames per second is creating a disconnect that doesn't feel right.

Multi Frame Generation can produce great results but it should not be considered a pure performance uplift.
if a game feels unplayable to you, if the base frame rate is too low or the latency is too high, it'll still feel bad with multi frame generation active, dlss4 can make a relatively smooth game look very smooth but it can't turn an unplayable experience into a playable one.