US defends massive phone record collection

Statistically the risk of being damaged by a terrorist attack in the US is infinitesimally small, compared to many of the quotidian daily risks like say drunk swimming. Yet it has such a disproportionate fear reaction that it can be used as a facade for enormous anti-privacy 'counterterrorism' initiatives like naked body scanning and phone record collecting.
 
I know I should be concerned about these Government Security Agencies phone tapping me, but it’s just so nice to know that someone’s been listening to me!
 
Honestly, none of this concerns me. If I wanna be secret there are means and ways that are easily accessible. However, I really dont care if the NSA has access to my phone records any more than I care that Google has access to my browsing data. I would never ever use those mediums to break the law.

This is so incredibly naive.

While you shouldn't assume your privacy is protected without taking the appropriate measures yourself, it does not give anyone the right to collect that data for their purposes.

What they are doing is a constitutional violation in the US and should be a rights violation anywhere in the world. Regardless of whether you are using those mediums for legal or illegal activities.
 
Personally I dont care that intelligence agencies have access to my phone records. I dont commit crimes through it. I always kinda assumed cops and stuff had access to those records already.

I don't commit crimes either but a government having that much control over its people is scary and if the government turns corrupt one day they could easily crunch any rebellion for reform easily.
 
Personally I dont care that intelligence agencies have access to my phone records. I dont commit crimes through it.
Good thing no-one has ever been falsely accused of a crime.
 
Good thing no-one has ever been falsely accused of a crime.

My wife watches that ID channel. With all the murders and investigations. They sure do catch or clear a lot of murder suspects based on those records. Luckily those that many of those that are falsely accused of a crime have data like cellphone information to prove they are innocents.
 
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Yes! This is what I'm trying to get across:

"Legal and policy solutions focus too much on the problems under the Orwellian metaphor—those of surveillance—and aren't adequately addressing the Kafkaesque problems—those of information processing.

Well put:

One such harm, for example, which I call aggregation, emerges from the fusion of small bits of seemingly innocuous data. When combined, the information becomes much more telling. By joining pieces of information we might not take pains to guard, the government can glean information about us that we might indeed wish to conceal. For example, suppose you bought a book about cancer. This purchase isn't very revealing on its own, for it indicates just an interest in the disease. Suppose you bought a wig. The purchase of a wig, by itself, could be for a number of reasons. But combine those two pieces of information, and now the inference can be made that you have cancer and are undergoing chemotherapy. That might be a fact you wouldn't mind sharing, but you'd certainly want to have the choice.

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A related problem involves secondary use. Secondary use is the exploitation of data obtained for one purpose for an unrelated purpose without the subject's consent. How long will personal data be stored? How will the information be used? What could it be used for in the future? The potential uses of any piece of personal information are vast. Without limits on or accountability for how that information is used, it is hard for people to assess the dangers of the data's being in the government's control.

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But now the government has large dossiers of everyone's activities, interests, reading habits, finances, and health. What if the government leaks the information to the public? What if the government mistakenly determines that based on your pattern of activities, you're likely to engage in a criminal act? What if it denies you the right to fly? What if the government thinks your financial transactions look odd—even if you've done nothing wrong—and freezes your accounts? What if the government doesn't protect your information with adequate security, and an identity thief obtains it and uses it to defraud you? Even if you have nothing to hide, the government can cause you a lot of harm.
 
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The article is dead right. I call it the iceberg problem. The stuff above the surface (CCTV, phone tapping, financial records, DNA, etc) means little each on its own, but when you dive below the surface you see the huge upside-down mountain of ice (big data and all the algorithms running to connect the dots). When one plays connect-the-dots the picture should not be clear until the dots are connected. Governments and others keep the picture secret above the surface where we only see dots. Dive below and the dots are connected to form a picture. An individual may never get an opportunity to correct or accurately complete the picture with more or better placed dots. Lots of innocent dots may results in a not so innocent picture depending on who connects the dots and the position and amount of dots available. Selective use of dots is even more dangerous (some dots used, others wilfully ignored because it doesn't make the picture the drawer wants).
 
The article is dead right. I call it the iceberg problem. The stuff above the surface (CCTV, phone tapping, financial records, DNA, etc) means little each on its own, but when you dive below the surface you see the huge upside-down mountain of ice (big data and all the algorithms running to connect the dots). When one plays connect-the-dots the picture should not be clear until the dots are connected. Governments and others keep the picture secret above the surface where we only see dots. Dive below and the dots are connected to form a picture. An individual may never get an opportunity to correct or accurately complete the picture with more or better placed dots. Lots of innocent dots may results in a not so innocent picture depending on who connects the dots and the position and amount of dots available. Selective use of dots is even more dangerous (some dots used, others wilfully ignored because it doesn't make the picture the drawer wants).

Could you ever live in a society with no lies or secrets? Imagine if we invented a 100% accurate truth finding machine and everything that anyone did in public was a matter of public record. Could you live in that society?
 
Could you ever live in a society with no lies or secrets? Imagine if we invented a 100% accurate truth finding machine and everything that anyone did in public was a matter of public record. Could you live in that society?

Difficult to answer. Don't know.
 
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